How can Kiffin take a bad Old Miss team and get the players to buy in?

[kbear01]

They are still bad but they can score now. The players are all in. Our team doesn't seem to be very motivated. This is his first year there and they stunk it up last season. They even beat UK.

They are having fun. Which, unless you are Bama, Clemson or OSU, is what its all about now. Score a ton of points. Lose to the big 3, badly, and blowout some punk in a meaningless bowl game, 66-53. unless 1/2 your offense opts out, because ITS A MEANINGLESS BOWL GAME.

 

[vol05]

Despite the scholly limits, he had a full class of juniors and seniors every year he was at USC and they still left him on the tarmac (literally)

Winning record at USC I believe. And the guy that ditched him didn’t last long afterward.

 

[kbear01]

Get ready, kids! Its already being passed for these kids to be able to profit from endorsement deals. A negotiated salary, on a per game or per performance basis from the university is coming closely behind it. College sports are going to be dead to me. The rich will get richer, and UT will be a bottom-feeder, forever.

 

[Bennessee01]

The "Kiffin Sniffers" are out today. Smells in here. You may not like Pruitt, but Kiffin's a Traitor and he's never coming back to UT.
EVER. Get it... Freeze maybe, but Kiffin never.

 

[Volinnooga]

Same with Pittman at Arkansas.

 

[Vol8188]

They obviously had a better QB but thats nothing new, they had a better Qb then us before Kiffin. Carrol & Ta'amu were better then what we had. They didnt play a tougher schedule then we did. We played Uga, Fla, Bama, A&M, Auburn. They played Bama, Fla and got blown out just like us. Played Auburn pretty much the same as us and lost by more to Ark then we did. They didnt play UGA or A&M they got State & LSU who both are rebuilding. Which 2 u think are harder?? They would be 3-6 with our schedule. I think them being able to score points might inflate opinions but they still sucked just like us.

You’re correct. I just went off the standard opinion that the west is typically better. Also didn’t realize they didn’t play A&M.

But no. They were not blown out by anyone.

 

[Vol8188]

The "Kiffin Sniffers" are out today. Smells in here. You may not like Pruitt, but Kiffin's a Traitor and he's never coming back to UT.
EVER. Get it... Freeze maybe, but Kiffin never.

Lmao a traitor? I like how you think of coaches leaving as if it’s an act of treason. You realize almost every head coach we’ve hired has “betrayed” a second fan base to come here, right?

 

[JBVolunteer]

I think he’s an above average play caller on the offensive side of the ball but there is no evidence that he has learned how to manage and sustain a football program. To this point, he’s been a journeyman that leaves places on bad terms and worse off than they were before he arrived. His longest stint was at USC where by most accounts, he was very disinterested in the role of being a head coach. Maybe he has grown but only time will tell if he has what it takes. I just have a feeling he bails on Ole Miss and leaves them in a mess just like every other job.

 

[The Original Fade]

Lmao a traitor? I like how you think of coaches leaving as if it’s an act of treason. You realize almost every head coach we’ve hired has “betrayed” a second fan base to come here, right?

So you had no problem with Kiffin bolting after 12 months at UT?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Good leaders teach, inspire, and delegate. Tennessee has a habit of hiring coaches who fail at all three but especially the inspiration part.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Good leaders teach, inspire, and delegate. Tennessee has a habit of hiring coaches who fail at all three but especially the inspiration part.

That's an awfully short list to encapsulate the skill sets required for great leadership.

Big, heavy books have been written on the elements of leadership. Heck, libraries full of those kinds of books have been written.

You know this, Tsar. I know you know this.

Yet, out of all the attributes of leadership, you chose to mention only three. I'm assuming that's because you think those are Jeremy's greatest shortcomings as a leader. They certainly weren't Fulmer's. Or Majors'. Or Neyland's.

I don't think that's necessarily right about Pruitt, either. I think one of the three you name a weakness may in fact be one of his strengths. We can't know for sure yet, but all evidence from his time as an assistant coach leans my way; the evidence from his three years as head coach is mixed. We just can't yet know.

The book on Jeremy Pruitt's leadership style, his strengths and weaknesses in command of a football program, that book is still being written. We've' only gotten through chapter 3. Some folks say you can know all there is to know about a head coach after just two or three chapters. I disagree.

Remember, the first three chapters of Nick Saban's head coaching tenure read like this: 9-2 ... 6-5-1 ... 6-6. Not to mix leadership with outcomes, but my already TL;DR response would be hella longer if we took time to dissect Nick Saban's leadership attributes after his second season at Michigan State. The point is, Saban grew and developed as a coach--as a leader--and became much more astute with time. His leadership evolved and matured.

Similarly, I think folks who stick to a premature, early-days view of Jeremy Pruitt as a leader are going to be surprised as we learn more.

But that's the fun of these boards; neither of us can yet know who's right.

 

[Volfan2012]

They are still bad but they can score now. The players are all in. Our team doesn't seem to be very motivated. This is his first year there and they stunk it up last season. They even beat UK.

He had us on the right track if he would've stayed I expect things would be far better in Vol land than they are now. He is the last coach we had where we had a late in the game chance to beat Alabama. If we'd had a field goal kicker we would've won that game. To bad he made the choice he did would love for him to still be here.

 

[Boston Vol]

That's an awfully short list to encapsulate the skill sets required for great leadership.

Big, heavy books have been written on the elements of leadership. Heck, libraries full of those kinds of books have been written.

You know this, Tsar. I know you know this.

Yet, out of all the attributes of leadership, you chose to mention only three. I'm assuming that's because you think those are Jeremy's greatest shortcomings as a leader. They certainly weren't Fulmer's. Or Majors'. Or Neyland's.

I don't think that's necessarily right about Pruitt, either. I think one of the three you name a weakness may in fact be one of his strengths. We can't know for sure yet, but all evidence from his time as an assistant coach leans my way; the evidence from his three years as head coach is mixed. We just can't yet know.

The book on Jeremy Pruitt's leadership style, his strengths and weaknesses in command of a football program, that book is still being written. We've' only gotten through chapter 3. Some folks say you can know all there is to know about a head coach after just two or three chapters. I disagree.

Remember, the first three chapters of Nick Saban's head coaching tenure read like this: 9-2 ... 6-5-1 ... 6-6. Not to mix leadership with outcomes, but my already TL;DR response would be hella longer if we took time to dissect Nick Saban's leadership attributes after his second season at Michigan State. The point is, Saban grew and developed as a coach--as a leader--and became much more astute with time. His leadership evolved and matured.

Similarly, I think folks who stick to a premature, early-days view of Jeremy Pruitt as a leader are going to be surprised as we learn more.

But that's the fun of these boards; neither of us can yet know who's right.

Michigan St got hammered with sanctions by the NCAA after Saban’s first season in East Lansing. Kind of hard to hold the early part of his MSU career against him.

 

[wmcovol]

Players get tired of losing, they buy into either their coaches and/or themselves to turn things around. They make sure they do what they need to do re:workouts, commitment, focus and motivation.

Ole Miss team has played very motivated every game I’ve seen them play this year. Those kids have bought it. Yes, they’re still bad on defense. Real bad, but they play hard.

Tennessee guys don’t appear they’re tired of losing. The perks are still here for them. According to their former teammate, players skip workouts, etc and the team doesn’t have leaders to push players who wonder off. I think players like Pruitt but I don’t think they respect Pruitt. They don’t seem to push themselves for him.

 

[Boston Vol]

So you had no problem with Kiffin bolting after 12 months at UT?

SC is a much better job UT, so I can’t say that I really blame him. Now obviously had he known that SC was going to get hammered by the NCAA, he never would have accepted the job.

 

[CR-vol]

He throws his clipboard further than our QBs throw passes. And he isn't afraid to show his excitement and players feed off that. Pruitt kicked a whiteboard once, and got grounded I guess.

I remember when Pruitt kicked the whiteboard there was a lot of complaining and whining on here about that. Never really understood that when one of the complaints was he had a lack of passion for UT football.

 

[MyVolsDropped]

Kiffin also doesn't have an insecure former head coach of that school as the athletic director that has to control and micromanage every single thing.

Fulmer probably sets specific times for bathroom breaks for our program and probably escorts them there personally every single time. If we fart he has to be there to smell it. He can't miss anything.

 

[iluvsmesumdooley]

As for Kiffin vs Fulmer, you're a fool.

When Lane wins multiple Power 5 conference and national championships, get back with us. When he joins the 100-win club, ring a bell. When his lifetime win % reaches 75%, let us know (hint: it's not currently even 70%. Or 65%).

Until then, your take is just foolish.

Dulmer only won lots of games when he had Cutty. Sorry - Kiffin is simply a better coach.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Dulmer only won lots of games when he had Cutty. Sorry - Kiffin is simply a better coach.

Well, you're wrong. But we're never going to agree, so we'll just have to each rest with our own viewpoint.

But whatever our views, can you stop being childish? Calling the second best coach in Tennessee history Dulmer rather than his actual name is what I would expect of a ten-year-old. Try to have a bit of dignity in your viewpoint.

 

[901 Orange]

You’re correct. I just went off the standard opinion that the west is typically better. Also didn’t realize they didn’t play A&M.

But no. They were not blown out by anyone.

They got blown out by Bama & Fla. Fought for a while vs bama but still lost by 2 TD's which was kinda how we played this year. Hang in for a half then the opps run off. Fla was up 41-21 in the 3rd i think thats a blowout

 

[Remy]

Maybe Kiffin is, shock and horror, a really good coach.

He was the last UT coach in a generation that had Bama on the ropes until the last play of the game where Mountain Cody ran over two walkon UT OLs.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

He was the last UT coach in a generation that had Bama on the ropes until the last play of the game where Mountain Cody ran over two walkon UT OLs.

In a generation?

Let's don't over-state reality, here.

A generation is normally defined as anything from 20 to 30 years. 25 is a useful average. You know, the amount of time from a person being born to that person becoming an adult and having a child of their own. A generation.

In the past 25 years, we've actually beaten Bama. Not once, but about 10 times. We beat them as recently as '06. And '04. And '03. And so on.

No, you're really just talking about the past twelve or thirteen years. Since 2008, really. When we kicked to the curb the second-best coach in our program's history. That's what you're talking about. Kiffin-Dooley-Jones-Pruitt. That's it.

 

[DULL_BOY]

Kiffin simplifies things allowing his guys to play faster. Kiffin will run the same pass plays...like spurrier....out of many formations. chaney should take notes!

When Kiffin and Cheney were here...they would set up only half of the field...like on a roll out to the right so Crompton wouldn’t have to think so much but could react faster. He did the same at USC with Carroll. I always thought that would’ve helped JG tremendously but we never tried it that I could tell.

 

[N.ohio vol]

Kiffin can call one hell of an offense. Id take him in a split second as offensive cordinator. Our offense is way to predictable load the box and make tennessee throw on you samething every saturday. But hed never come here to be just a cordinator.

 

[JBVolunteer]

Dulmer only won lots of games when he had Cutty. Sorry - Kiffin is simply a better coach.

Fulmer was a HC for 16 years. Kiffin is a good offensive play caller but is very much unproven as a journeyman head coach. His offense is fun to watch but he has never successfully built and sustained a program. Let’s see what he does at Ole Miss in 3-4 years before we crown him as being better than Fulmer.