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bamawriter said:
They weren't allowed to go into his house, fenced-in yard, or RV. They looked as far as they were legally permitted to look.
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One would think a report of someone with (I think I read somewhere) a history of mental problems building bombs would warrant some surveillance.
 
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hog88 said:
One would think a report of someone with (I think I read somewhere) a history of mental problems building bombs would warrant some surveillance.
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You can't just tear a guy's house apart though because one of his neighbors thinks he might be building bombs in his RV. I thought this was a "get the government out of my life" kind of crowd.
 
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hog88 said:
One would think a report of someone with (I think I read somewhere) a history of mental problems building bombs would warrant some surveillance.
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They did got with the FBI to look into his history. It basically amount to marijuana possession a few decades prior.

A talk of suicide years before is not enough to establish probable cause even when paired with the ex's statement. He had talked about killing himself, not blowing up a building.
 
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05_never_again said:
You can't just tear a guy's house apart though because one of his neighbors thinks he might be building bombs in his RV. I thought this was a "get the government out of my life" kind of crowd.
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I don't think I have said they should have done anything resembling that. All I suggested is that it looks like some surveillance was warranted. See what he's buying, ext.

No, I wouldn't support them searching without a warrant or even being able to get a warrant on the word of 1 or 2 people. Feel the same about drugs.
 
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05_never_again said:
You can't just tear a guy's house apart though because one of his neighbors thinks he might be building bombs in his RV. I thought this was a "get the government out of my life" kind of crowd.
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I understand the impulse to say "If the cops had searched his house/RV, this wouldn't have happened!" And maybe that hypothetical is true. But it is really weird to read folks saying that the cops shouldn't have followed the law.
 
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bamawriter said:
They did got with the FBI to look into his history. It basically amount to marijuana possession a few decades prior.

A talk of suicide years before is not enough to established probable cause even when paired with the ex's statement. He had talked about killing himself, not blowing up a building.
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I'm not talking about them getting a warrant. They don't need a warrant to do some surveillance and investigation.

Seems odd that the police would just drop a report of someone making bombs because the property owner refused a search.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't think I have said they should have done anything resembling that. All I suggested is that it looks like some surveillance was warranted. See what he's buying, ext.
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They reached out to the feds. It's not like they knocked on his door, didn't get an answer, and then just shrugged and never thought of it again.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Because you can't just go into a person's locked vehicle without probable cause and third-party domestic allegations aren't that.
If Warner himself had said "i've got bomb stuff in there" then yes, with or without a warrant
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So how good is a confidential informants word then?
 
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bamawriter said:
They reached out to the feds. It's not like they knocked on his door, didn't get an answer, and then just shrugged and never thought of it again.
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Holy shot batman, do you have comprehension problems? They asked to search, he (his attorney) said no and yeah they basically did just shrug and say oh well.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm not talking about them getting a warrant. They don't need a warrant to do some surveillance and investigation.

Seems odd that the police would just drop a report of someone making bombs because the property owner refused a search.
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Surveilling a guy takes up a ton of resources. The word of an ex-girlfriend does not justify expending those resources.
 
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Velo Vol said:
So if the next door neighbor says he's building a bomb, that's probable cause, but if his girlfriend says so it isn't?
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No even his neighbor stating such isn't exactly probable cause...do you know how many Karens call into 911 about their neighbors doing all sorts of things? true or not?
 
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hog88 said:
Holy shot batman, do you have comprehension problems? They asked to search, he (his attorney) said no and yeah they basically did just shrug and say oh well.
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All you're doing is begging the question and refusing to accept an answer. They did everything they legally could have done. What else would you have liked them to do based upon an ex-girlfriend's accusation?
 
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hog88 said:
One would think a report of someone with (I think I read somewhere) a history of mental problems building bombs would warrant some surveillance.
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there are literally 100 plus people with mental illness walking around the streets of Knoxville right NOW who have claimed they were going to shoot up somewhere or bomb a building. You going to have the resources to follow that up on a daily basis?
 
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bamawriter said:
All you're doing is begging the question and refusing to accept an answer. They did everything they legally could have done. What else would you have liked them to do based upon an ex-girlfriend's accusation?
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Refusing a search generally raises a cops suspicion. They could have surveilled and looked into him. Cops don't mind pissing away "resources" trying to bust drug dealers off the word of an informant.
 
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hog88 said:
Refusing a search generally raises a cops suspicion. They could have surveilled and looked into him. Cops don't mind pissing away "resources" trying to bust drug dealers off the word of an informant.
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not without corroborating evidence.
 
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