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LA Vol said:
Look, people are locked into their narratives and I'm not invested in changing anybody's opinions. Everybody's entitled.

But I'll say this: firing with cause is very difficult and generally neither prudent nor financially advantageous. Fired coaches hire counsel and threaten to sue if terms aren't met. And every major program has things it doesn't want coming out in discovery. Because a fired coach will hold nothing back and may add a few embellishments, after leaking juicy tidbits to the media. And the reality is, when coaches color outside the lines, someone other than the coach knows about it, so you have problems up the chain.

See: Butch Jones.

Programs pay out contracts and have confidentiality agreements, because in a litigious society, it's the practical solution.
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That’s all fine and good but just want know why nobody challenges Sankey on his obvious biases? You’re really going to tell us or any other school not to hire anyone when Will Wade, Bruce Pearl, Calipari, Saban, Smart and Kiffin are in our conference? All have been caught or should have been caught up in violations. Call his old as out and say either be fair to all schools or his job will be had. There’s enough crap he’s let programs get away with that it’s fireable. If Sankey thinks he’s so untouchable that he can’t get fired with all the stuff he’s swept under the rug as a commissioner then he’s an idiot. You can’t tell me he doesn’t know some of the stuff that goes on at these schools.
 
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HankHill said:
That’s fine but you’re not really giving any reasons why he wouldn’t succeed here other than just throwing out “fit” and I’m not really sure what that means. Is it because he’s not from the south or doesn’t speak with a twang because there’s tons of examples of winners in the SEC that weren’t good “fits”.
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I have stated it. He can't recruit at the level that UT needs. He's had some culture issues (won't say problems because he has still won) and had multiple high level players transfer out. He did at MSU as well. His record at MSU was good for that program, but he also feasted on lower level competition. Aside from maybe a series against Oregon, MSU never played the kind of OOC series like UT did/does. I did the research and looked at every season at MSU when he was being floated as a candidate. Even the number one year, they didn't beat a team that finished above 8-5. Played Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama, and UT Martin as OOC opponents- no P5 opponent. All of the ranked teams they beat were early in the year. He has also been helped by FSU being an absolute cluster.

I can't think of any significant offensive skill players from MSU in the NFL other than Dak. Every significant player is on defense. I guess you could point to Van Jefferson and Freddie Swain from UF, but that's about it. On top pf that, he is a little bit of a clown. His personality actually probably relates to why he would have trouble recruiting.

You act like I am saying he is a bad coach. I am not. But there are various reasons why there are other coaching candidates that are better for UT than Dan Mullen, and it's not that difficult to understand if people did the research or knew anything about him.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Kiffin isn't a bad hire. He got TN to 7 wins the year after a 5 win season and had a second elite recruiting class lined up. USC was his dream job, its not different than if a poster here was hired at lets say UCLA then came to TN the same way. Kiffin was 28-15 at USC and that was while spending two years dealing with sanctions from the Reggie Bush stuff. FIU was a terrible program when he took over and won the conference twice. He also has Ole Mis bowl eligible for the first time in 5 years, and has more conference wins in year 1 than Pruitt does in year 3. He has also played closer and scored a hell of a lot more on Alabama than Pruitt has ever dreamed about. He will be a home run and will end up at one of our rivals kicking our ass while we hire coach mcgoogle.
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Yeah, cause 2020 was when the NCAA punishment brought on by Freeze has finally ran its course... LOL

Kiffin is a bad hire -here- because of how he treated UT when here and how he left us hanging when he left. He spent almost his entire career at FAU trolling VolTwitter as well.
 
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Jack Burton said:
You’ll have to define “answer” but it’s clear he would have more wins than Pruitt. Somehow you guys have moved the goalposts to suggest that Mullen at UT would have been less successful than Mullen at UF therefore we shouldn’t have hired Mullen. Fine, if that makes you feel better. Would have still been better than Pruitt any day regardless.
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Not at all. You just choose to believe that. I have said he would be better than Pruitt. Long term though, I didn't believe he was what we needed. Reading comprehension seems to be lost these days.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
On October 28, 2017, the Gators played the rival Georgia Bulldogs. Before the game there were rumors that Florida officials were considering firing McElwain for cause, though Athletic Director Scott Stricklin stated there were no such discussions. Florida lost to Georgia 42–7. The next day (October 29), McElwain met with Stricklin and other university officials. At that meeting, school officials told McElwain that they intended to fire him for cause, and contended that they did not owe him a buyout because he failed to tell them about the alleged death threats. Ultimately, Florida and McElwain mutually agreed to part ways, effective immediately. Defensive coordinator Randy Shannon served as interim coach for the remainder of the season.

I'll be real honest here, I think Jim thought he should be a bigger deal at Florida than what he was...seemed like his time there was going to be short. They never fired him with cause though, just tried to use that to force him out (and it worked).
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UF still paid him $7.5 million to go away.
 
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LA Vol said:
Look, people are locked into their narratives and I'm not invested in changing anybody's opinions. Everybody's entitled.

But I'll say this: firing with cause is very difficult and generally neither prudent nor financially advantageous. Fired coaches hire counsel and threaten to sue if terms aren't met. And every major program has things it doesn't want coming out in discovery. Because a fired coach will hold nothing back and may add a few embellishments, after leaking juicy tidbits to the media. And the reality is, when coaches color outside the lines, someone other than the coach knows about it, so you have problems up the chain.

See: Butch Jones.

Programs pay out contracts and have confidentiality agreements, because in a litigious society, it's the practical solution.
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Maybe it’s at least enough to have a mutual parting of ways with a negotiated lower buy out?
 
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VolGee4 said:
UF still paid him $7.5 million to go away.
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$5 million less than his original contract, this is exactly what LA was saying. Seems similar to our situation with Pruitt...we'll owe him about $12.5 million, but if the dirt from summer can be leveraged to save us $5 million that's not too bad a deal then is it?
 
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utvols88 said:
They charged for napkins?!? Hahaha
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Yep I didn't even believe her until I saw it on the receipt! LOL

Don't worry I didn't steal the silverware or dock the poor girl's tip, but yeah Applebee's started basically nickel & diming everything last I was there.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
$5 million less than his original contract, this is exactly what LA was saying. Seems similar to our situation with Pruitt...we'll owe him about $12.5 million, but if the dirt from summer can be leveraged to save us $5 million that's not too bad a deal then is it?
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No, it's not. I was agreeing with you after responding to the poster saying he was fired with cause. He wouldn't have been paid that much if they truly had something for cause.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
$5 million less than his original contract, this is exactly what LA was saying. Seems similar to our situation with Pruitt...we'll owe him about $12.5 million, but if the dirt from summer can be leveraged to save us $5 million that's not too bad a deal then is it?
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that's correct, but if he believes the AD is at fault and a lawsuit would open UT up for more damage the school will just pay full amount to get it to go away.

But if they agree and come to a solution with a smaller payout and he signs the NDA then it's a good deal on both sides.
 
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DustyRockSolid said:
Any reason for not hiring freeze is just a stupid excuse. They just don't care about winning as much as other programs. This program is literally dead. There are a few good hires out there. Coaches that would give us hope and bring the fans back on board. Tennessee wont hire them, tho.
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Right. Because we don’t want to go to war with Sankey. Give me a break. As long as John Calipari UMASS violations, Derrick Rose no ACT taking ass, Will Wade “how much will it take”, Saban *new charger on the university*, Kirby Smart “daycare bills? Say no more.”, Bruce Pearl “it was just a BBQ I pwomise” asses are still coaching in this league I wouldn’t give two hells what anyone thought.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yep I didn't even believe her until I saw it on the receipt! LOL

Don't worry I didn't steal the silverware or dock the poor girl's tip, but yeah Applebee's started basically nickel & diming everything last I was there.
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Haven't been in damn near a decade. Tbh.
 
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Prepare yourselves... FF people will be in here tomorrow.. those arguments are probably going to be more entertaining than signing day
 
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LA Vol said:
As would most teams, including UT. If UT had better QB play against UK, the dominoes would have fallen a different way. It's hard to win when your QB is helping your opponent score.
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But...
Our defense is not good.
Deffensive play calling isn't what it was last year.
Our DBs have regressed.
Our linebackers have regressed.
Our d-line has regressed.
Our offensive line sucks considering their potential.
Offensive play calling sucks.
Our o-line doesn't help the QB up like used too.
Our running backs are mismanaged.
Our QBs are mismanaged.
Our WRs have been mismanaged.
Our young talent has been mismanaged.

Pruitt is likely the cause of all this and even if he isn't the cause, he has the right and responsibility to fix it and he hasn't.

Pruitt shouldn't get another year. If he does what would it take for him to stay after next year? I'm at 9-3. That's winning the games you should in your 4th year and losing to your 3 rivals. And at that it's hard to swallow continuing to lose to your rivals.
 
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