Vols new ranking in SEC.

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Jaws said:
Florida 4th? And they beat convincingly your #2 team. Florida has to be 2nd or 3rd.
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UGA was missing George Pickens and like 8 players off their 2 deep on defense including their all conference nose tackle and free safety when UF beat them. We suck but Florida is a paper tiger, which you will learn in about 8 days when you play Bama. Bama beat UGA worse than you did when UGA had all those players and beat A&M as well, as decisively as they beat UGA.
 
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Objectivity is about putting yourself outside, judging based entirely on outcomes, right? Just as subjectivity is about putting yourself in the head of the person or thing, to see and take account of all that invisible stuff going on inside. I mean, it's right there in the English: subject versus object, 1st person perpective versus 3rd person view.

Okay, so objectivity is easy. Find an external metric, and rank the teams by that. Best external metric available in sport is wins and losses:

1. Bama - 9-0
2. FL - 8-1
3. A&M - 7-1
4. UGa - 6-2
5. Mizzou - 5-3
6. Auburn - 5-4
7. Ole Miss - 4-4
8. Kentucky - 4-6
9. LSU - 3-5
10. Arkansas - 3-6
11. Vols - 2-6 == Miss State 2-6 (tie)
13. USCe - 2-8
14. Vandy - 0-8

That's pretty much the ONLY order you can come up with, objectively, at this point in the 2020 season.

Now, if you wanted to broaden it out, you could go records over the past three years, or records for the past five years, or ten, or twenty, or whatever you wish. As you broaden the perspective, you gain continuity and long-term fidelity, but lose precision and immediacy. It's just a question of which you need more at the time.

But for now, that's the objective ranking. If you have anything different than that, you are letting subjectivity creep in.

For instance, OP you seem to overvalue LSU quite a bit. You're letting some subjectivity in. Understandable, since they are usually much better than this season, and were in fact the national champs just last year. Still, the record says they stink at about 9th of 14 level.

That's objectivity.


p.s. If A&M beats the Vols in a week as most of us expect they will, they'll go up on Florida, because they have the tie-breaker (head to head win) over the Gators. Other moves could happen as well once the rest of the season plays out.
 
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If we’re going off the entire state of the program I need to see Jimbo win big at aTm before I put them in the top 3 and I need to see it in a non-covid year. Because I don’t know what’s going to happen with LSU in the future, where they were last year and basically turning over their roster and coaching staff I’m giving them a little pass this season. They get too many great players and have won too many games against top 10 opponents under Orgeron not to have them in my top 4.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
This is how I would (objectively) look at the 14 football programs right now.
Would welcome differing opinions.

1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3. TAMU
4. Florida
5. LSU
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Missouri
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. Tennessee
12. Miss State
13. SCarolina
14. Vanderbilt
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I think our talent is no less than 7th. Coaching and QB performance have us under performing. In a perfect world for Pruitt, the lights will come on quickly for HB or JT, and we some how win next two. That's the only way to calm down what will once again be a dark off season.
 
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Jaws said:
Does anyone in the conference have a better QB waiting in the wings than Emory Jones? Jones has been slowly marinating, learning, developing, getting live bullet reps in huge games for 3 years now.

Florida has passed Georgia.
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I don't mind this for now. UT's got to do it's part if we want to contend...in the mean time, I'd like to see the gnashing of teeth in Athens, when they realize they're not the heir apparent in the SEC royalty they thought they'd be.
 
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Jaws said:
Not only is he close, he’s slightly better. Mullen’s first 36 games are about to be 30-6.

Meyer’s first 36: 29-7.
By the way, Spurrier’s first 36: also 29-7.

We’ll see next weekend if he enters the championship conversation.
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I don’t think Florida’s current trajectory is the same after Mullen’s first 36 games as it was for either Meyer or Spurrier. It’s on good footing, but it’s not consummate national champion front runner status like the first two regimes. Florida will have a lot of offensive production to replace next year and defensive improvements to be made for sure.
 
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volKano said:
Ole miss is about to blow up in recruiting. Kif is closing in on some big recruits. He will finish very strong.
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Well, WE Coulda had LK back, He wanted it badly; to right the wrong and remove the Stigma. But alas, our brass didn't have the balls.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I don’t think Florida’s current trajectory is the same after Mullen’s first 36 games as it was for either Meyer or Spurrier. It’s on good footing, but it’s not consummate national champion front runner status like the first two regimes. Florida will have a lot of offensive production to replace next year and defensive improvements to be made for sure.
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It’s tough to argue with 30-6. That’s simply the best start ever, even better than two legendary coaches.

Agree that UF loses a lot of offensive production next year, but they also lost a lot last year, and that was adequately replaced. People forget that UF had a starting RB (Perine) drafted, and 3 WR’s drafted (Jefferson, Swain, Cleveland), but they only got better. Plenty of dudes coming back and plenty waiting in the wings, and plenty coming in via recruiting and we’ve seen time and time again Mullen bring in insta-production via the transfer portal.

The trajectory is excellent.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I don’t think Florida’s current trajectory is the same after Mullen’s first 36 games as it was for either Meyer or Spurrier. It’s on good footing, but it’s not consummate national champion front runner status like the first two regimes. Florida will have a lot of offensive production to replace next year and defensive improvements to be made for sure.
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I agree, but steady improvement has been apparent, even though Mullen's kinda a weird cat. But I'll give them credit...they've developed their QB, and matched execution @ the WR position towards their identity. To the contrary, we're stacked on OL, and haven't managed to use that competitive advantage to our benefit of being a power run team w/ strong emphasis on play action...UT has no identity, except that of an under performing team.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
This is how I would (objectively) look at the 14 football programs right now.
Would welcome differing opinions.

1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3. TAMU
4. Florida
5. LSU
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Missouri
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. Tennessee
12. Miss State
13. SCarolina
14. Vanderbilt
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TN too high IMO
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Objectivity is about putting yourself outside, judging based entirely on outcomes, right? Just as subjectivity is about putting yourself in the head of the person or thing, to see and take account of all that invisible stuff going on inside. I mean, it's right there in the English: subject versus object, 1st person perpective versus 3rd person view.

Okay, so objectivity is easy. Find an external metric, and rank the teams by that. Best external metric available in sport is wins and losses:

1. Bama - 9-0
2. FL - 8-1
3. A&M - 7-1
4. UGa - 6-2
5. Mizzou - 5-3
6. Auburn - 5-4
7. Ole Miss - 4-4
8. Kentucky - 4-6
9. LSU - 3-5
10. Arkansas - 3-6
11. Vols - 2-6 == Miss State 2-6 (tie)
13. USCe - 2-8
14. Vandy - 0-8

That's pretty much the ONLY order you can come up with, objectively, at this point in the 2020 season.

Now, if you wanted to broaden it out, you could go records over the past three years, or records for the past five years, or ten, or twenty, or whatever you wish. As you broaden the perspective, you gain continuity and long-term fidelity, but lose precision and immediacy. It's just a question of which you need more at the time.

But for now, that's the objective ranking. If you have anything different than that, you are letting subjectivity creep in.

For instance, OP you seem to overvalue LSU quite a bit. You're letting some subjectivity in. Understandable, since they are usually much better than this season, and were in fact the national champs just last year. Still, the record says they stink at about 9th of 14 level.

That's objectivity.


p.s. If A&M beats the Vols in a week as most of us expect they will, they'll go up on Florida, because they have the tie-breaker (head to head win) over the Gators. Other moves could happen as well once the rest of the season plays out.
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i agree - tn is better than miss state and probably kentucky if we dont give the ball to them 5 times
 
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Vfl2407 said:
This is how I would (objectively) look at the 14 football programs right now.
Would welcome differing opinions.

1. Alabama
2. Georgia
3. TAMU
4. Florida
5. LSU
6. Auburn
7. Ole Miss
8. Missouri
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. Tennessee
12. Miss State
13. SCarolina
14. Vanderbilt
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Tennessee is better than Mizzou.
 
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Jaws said:
Not only is he close, he’s slightly better. Mullen’s first 36 games are about to be 30-6.

Meyer’s first 36: 29-7.
By the way, Spurrier’s first 36: also 29-7.

We’ll see next weekend if he enters the championship conversation.
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Don't count your chickens . . .
Mullen is also 29-7.
 
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