2020 Presidential Race

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#92,603
MontyPython said:
Question for those supporting the Texas SCOTUS lawsuit:

Do you believe the long-held Republican belief that states, not the federal government, should have broad jurisdiction over how they conduct their own affairs?

If yes and if you also support the Texas lawsuit, you are what's called a "hypocrite".

Per John Cornyn (the senior Republican Senator from Texas):

"I read just the summary of it, and I frankly struggle to understand the legal theory of it. Number one, why would a state, even such a great state as Texas, have a say so on how other states administer their elections? We have a diffused and dispersed system and even though we might not like it, they may think it's unfair ... those are decided at the state and local level and not at the national level. So it's an interesting theory, but I'm not convinced."
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None of them believe it. They’ll argue passionately that they do, but it’s ********.
 
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tvolsfan said:
None of them believe it. They’ll argue passionately that they do, but it’s ********.
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When you subvert your own constitution then you disenfranchised those who followed the rules. The states in question should have followed their constitutions. Maybe the problem is they could not follow their constitution and make the changes they made. So in the end if SCOTUS kicks the 4 states it will be the SOS from those states that screwed and disenfranchised their own people.
 
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Orangeburst said:
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TX might be worth something for once.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
When you subvert your own constitution then you disenfranchised those who followed the rules. The states in question should have followed their constitutions. Maybe the problem is they could not follow their constitution and make the changes they made. So in the end if SCOTUS kicks the 4 states it will be the SOS from those states that screwed and disenfranchised their own people.
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And why is it that the state's supreme court is incapable of making that determination?
 
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luthervol said:
And the state's Supreme Court? Do they have the right to decide if the laws were followed in their state?
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No. They didn’t decide if laws were followed, they decided EOs or beurocrats decisions superseded laws passed by the legislatures.
 
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Donald Trump has repeated the following claim in two separate tweets this week, including one which was less than an hour ago:

"No Presidential candidate ever came even close to losing an Election who won Iowa, Florida and Ohio. I won all three, by a lot!" - President Donald Trump, in a tweet from 58 minutes ago

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That claim by Donald Trump is simply not true. In the 1960 Presidential election, the Republican Party nominee, Richard M. Nixon, also lost the election despite winning Iowa, Florida and Ohio. John F. Kennedy won 302 electoral college votes to Richard M. Nixon's 219 electoral college votes. Donald Trump talks out of his butt, and he repeats easily provable false claims over and over.... He is a liar and an idiot.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Donald Trump has repeated the following claim in two separate tweets this week, including one which was less than an hour ago:

"No Presidential candidate ever came even close to losing an Election who won Iowa, Florida and Ohio. I won all three, by a lot!" - President Donald Trump, in a tweet from 58 minutes ago

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That claim by Donald Trump is simply not true. In the 1960 Presidential election, the Republican Party nominee, Richard M. Nixon, also lost the election despite winning Iowa, Florida and Ohio. John F. Kennedy won 302 electoral college votes to Richard M. Nixon's 219 electoral college votes. Donald Trump talks out of his butt, and he repeats easily provable false claims over and over.... He is an idiot.
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Yeah, I'm not sure you want to use the 1960 election as your example...
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, my bad. I hadn't planned on digging through pages of stuff looking for the answer.

But thank you for stepping up and providing that intellectual response.
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No problem.
I assumed the answer was obvious to everyone but the ones actually being placated.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Are you sure you want to use the most controversial election in US history (until now) as your example?

I'd be careful about that...
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For one thing, nothing will ever top the 2000 Presidential election as "the most controversial election in US history," .... and whatever you want to say about the 1960 election (and there was proven fraud in Chicago), the fact still remains: Nixon won Iowa, Florida and Ohio but still lost the election. Therefore, Trump is full of $hit.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
When you subvert your own constitution then you disenfranchised those who followed the rules. The states in question should have followed their constitutions. Maybe the problem is they could not follow their constitution and make the changes they made. So in the end if SCOTUS kicks the 4 states it will be the SOS from those states that screwed and disenfranchised their own people.
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SCOTUS is screwed either way. Piss off 4 states or 20 states. 🤷‍♂️
 
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