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I'm not sure how much of a Saban guy Napier is. He just coached WR's there a few years. He was with Tommy Bowden/Swinney for just as long.

He left to be OC at Arizona St. Herm Edwards tried to retain him, but he got the HC job at Louisiana.
 
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Aesius said:
I don't think a guy following the "Saban model" is a bad thing. Someone will eventually get it right. And it's not like it's a flawed model. Doubt anyone has failed because they tried to emulate Saban. If they were gonna fail, they were gonna fail regardless.
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The problem with hiring Saban guys isn't because they attempt to follow the "Saban model." The problem with hiring Saban guys is that I think they are cut from a particular cloth - I think Saban mostly hires order-takers and rule-followers who are hired based on their ability and willingness to follow his process.

I think they have skill sets that are ill-suited to go somewhere else and re-create a model, or to build their own model. They are rule-followers, not strategic thinkers. IMO, you see this pretty clearly with Pruitt and even with Kirby (he just has much more talent so it isn't as obvious). I don't think Saban is interested in hiring a bunch of thinkers on his staffs; the dude has the recipe figured out and he wants guys who will come in and follow it.
 
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05_never_again said:
The problem with hiring Saban guys isn't because they attempt to follow the "Saban model." The problem with hiring Saban guys is that I think they are cut from a particular cloth - I think Saban mostly hires order-takers and rule-followers who are hired based on their ability and willingness to follow his process.

I think they have skill sets that are ill-suited to go somewhere else and re-create a model, or to build their own model. They are rule-followers, not strategic thinkers. IMO, you see this pretty clearly with Pruitt and even with Kirby (he just has much more talent so it isn't as obvious). I don't think Saban is interested in hiring a bunch of thinkers on his staffs; the dude has the recipe figured out and he wants guys who will come in and follow it.
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This is a stretch. Saban hires from the same pool of assistants as everyone else. He isn't specifically looking for mindless drones to carry out his orders. Being a successful assistant under Saban doesn't preclude someone from being successful as a head coach elsewhere. The problem is that the sample size of assistants to head coaches at big-time programs is still small, so it looks like they're all a bunch of rejects. But the shelf life for all coaches is short, former Saban assistant or not.
 
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VFL10 said:
Guys, I think this new TV deal Sankey is about to announce is a game changer. We now will have the financial fortitude to make a move on Pruitt. We’ve been given a gift.
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We will now have plenty of money to overpay underqualified assistants for Pruitt’s 4th staff, so that we give him every single chance possible to fail.

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snowvols said:
I'm not sure how much of a Saban guy Napier is. He just coached WR's there a few years. He was with Tommy Bowden/Swinney for just as long.

He left to be OC at Arizona St. Herm Edwards tried to retain him, but he got the HC job at Louisiana.
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Napier was a bad OC at Clemson; they made Dabo fire him and he went out and got Chad Morris. He then went into Saban's Coaching Rehab after that - one year at an analyst at Alabama, then a random year as a AHC/QB coach with Mike Bobo at Colorado St, then back with Saban for 3 years as his WR coach.
 
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Aesius said:
I don't think a guy following the "Saban model" is a bad thing. Someone will eventually get it right. And it's not like it's a flawed model. Doubt anyone has failed because they tried to emulate Saban. If they were gonna fail, they were gonna fail regardless.
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Disagree. The "Saban Model" with Bama results only works with the complete resources state wide and an ability to bid and win for every recruit you need/want. It also doesn't hurt that the conference head office is a lunch break drive away and filled to the brim with Bama graduates and fans.

In short, the "Saban Model" absolutely works, but you will only get Bama results at Bama. Without the other stuff, it probably comes up short all the way to completely failing the majority of the time. I really don't think even Saban could replicate what he has done at Bama anywhere else.
 
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Bobo actually would have been a great hire year 1 or 2 when he had the do over. Bobo is very good OC and has evolved with the game some. He is an elite recruiter in GA and elite QB recruiter. Look at Gunner Stockton commit he got. You can’t take anything from this yr. he inherited no QB and no WRs yet still found a way to manufacture some points at time with a nice run game. If your adamant to keep friend then bobo made more sense than Chaney as OC as the two worked along time together.

That being said I think it’s a bad move in a must win year. Chaney isn’t the problem and he has not been able to coach his own recruiter QB yet. It’s unfair to judge an OC without his own handpicked QB. So if you make a move you are doing it again with Bobo unless Bobo is more team Bailey than Chaney which is possible with his GA background.

Imo you leave Chaney alone and see what he does with his own guy in Salter or anyone not named JG. Let him make changes on staff if he needs to. Then Pruitt can focus on his own side of the ball.
 
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Aesius said:
This is a stretch. Saban hires from the same pool of assistants as everyone else. He isn't specifically looking for mindless drones to carry out his orders. Being a successful assistant under Saban doesn't preclude someone from being successful as a head coach elsewhere. The problem is that the sample size of assistants to head coaches at big-time programs is still small, so it looks like they're all a bunch of rejects. But the shelf life for all coaches is short, former Saban assistant or not.
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There's a difference between being a mindless drone and an order-taker. Saban doesn't want idiots, but I also don't think he necessarily wants people who are going to come in and develop any new processes. He's already got the process; what he wants are intelligent, capable people to come in, follow the directions, and run it. I think he orients his hiring around finding people with that kind of skill set, as opposed to a more creative skill set. We need a guy that has a track record of building something and having some success at a P5 program right now.
 
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05_never_again said:
Napier was a bad OC at Clemson; they made Dabo fire him and he went out and got Chad Morris. He then went into Saban's Coaching Rehab after that - one year at an analyst at Alabama, then a random year as a AHC/QB coach with Mike Bobo at Colorado St, then back with Saban for 3 years as his WR coach.
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I dont think he was necessarily bad. They had a school record for points his first year. There were lots of rumors about Dabo meddling in the O the second year and they didn't get along. There are articles about Dabo supposedly changing play calls. He's been hands off since then.
 
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Chaney will be the sacrificial lamb and we will go overpay for Bobo who won't do any better. Pruitt will get an overhauled staff and we will be sitting at 6-6 absolute best case scenario next year while hearing about how good we practice after the losses.

It's the Tennessee way.
 
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rjd970 said:
Chaney will be the sacrificial lamb and we will go overpay for Bobo who won't do any better. Pruitt will get an overhauled staff and we will be sitting at 6-6 absolute best case scenario next year while hearing about how good we practice after the losses.

It's the Tennessee way.
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Bobo is garbage, dont waste the money. AP is right. might as well fahr Jermy now. not saying fire Jeremy saying that is a terrible idea
 
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rjd970 said:
Chaney will be the sacrificial lamb and we will go overpay for Bobo who won't do any better. Pruitt will get an overhauled staff and we will be sitting at 6-6 absolute best case scenario next year while hearing about how good we practice after the losses.

It's the Tennessee way.
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And then 6 wins gets him year 5 where we go 7-5 and he gets a 10 year extension only to be fired a year later.
 
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