2020 Presidential Race

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TechnoVol said:
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You do realize that one of those "corrupt lower courts" was presided over by a Trump-appointed judge, don't you? That would be federal judge Stephanos Bibas. His ruling included this scathing rebuke:

"Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and the proof. We have neither here." - Judge Stephanos Bibas
 
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MontyPython said:
As the majority of economists recognize, a trade deficit is not a bad thing in and of itself.

The more apt question is this: Would you like to have a job making shoes all day? Yes or no?
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Nope, but there's more to the question. When we decide that those things like making shoes are beneath us and we don't need workers, who will the US market be? You can't have a market for goods without paying wages to people who make up the market. The theory of robotics and trading up jobs doesn't really work either. It's like believing in perpetual motion and getting something for nothing rather than reality based thinking.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I don’t think they are going to win and have consistently stated that.
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It’s not even going to be heard. Not trying to split hairs but there is no reason for them to take it on

I am unsure about one thing because I read two different takes. Has this case been filed or has there been a request for permission to file the case. The latter makes more sense as the answer to me based on your reply to me the other day that SCOTUS gave the states TX was litigating until x day to reply. If the action was “requesting permission” then SCOTUS would have to give the defendant states the opportunity to reply as a matter of law I would THINK
 
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AM64 said:
Nope, but there's more to the question. When we decide that those things like making shoes are beneath us and we don't need workers, who will the US market be? You can't have a market for goods without paying wages to people who make up the market. The theory of robotics and trading up jobs doesn't really work either. It's like believing in perpetual motion and getting something for nothing rather than reality based thinking.
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What do you mean, "When we decide that those things like making shoes are beneath us"? That ship has sailed years ago, my friend. Shoes are made in Asia.

We can buy cheap shoes cause China, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. have wages that are stupid low. It's basic economics. Manufacturing jobs naturally flow to the lowest cost production nations. This changes over time.

Put simply: WE DON'T WANT MOST OF THESE JOBS. Nor can we afford them, unless you know someone who *wants* to work for $1.50/hour.
 
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AM64 said:
Nope, but there's more to the question. When we decide that those things like making shoes are beneath us and we don't need workers, who will the US market be? You can't have a market for goods without paying wages to people who make up the market. The theory of robotics and trading up jobs doesn't really work either. It's like believing in perpetual motion and getting something for nothing rather than reality based thinking.
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As Biden told the coal miners in West Virginia, just learn to code. Over the years I worked with a lot of people that couldn't turn on a computer much less code. I'd like to see Joe Biden write one line of code.
 
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PointGuard said:
It’s not even going to be heard. Not trying to split hairs but there is no reason for them to take it on

I am unsure about one thing because I read two different takes. Has this case been filed or has there been a request for permission to file the case. The latter makes more sense as the answer to me based on your reply to me the other day that SCOTUS gave the states TX was litigating until x day to reply. If the action was “requesting permission” then SCOTUS would have to give the defendant states the opportunity to reply as a matter of law I would THINK
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I read a play on how they can get standing. The Equal Protection clause in the 14th was mostly related to individuals having protections from states, however via “reverse incorporation” that can be extrapolated to the Feds also. The leap of faith occurs in replaces the individuals with states. To summarize it would be substituting individuals protection from states with states protection from the Feds.

I don’t think they’re going to win. But I don’t think that was the play. I’m just trying to figure out what the real play is.
 
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MontyPython said:
What do you mean, "When we decide that those things like making shoes are beneath us"? That ship has sailed years ago, my friend. Shoes are made in Asia.

We can buy cheap shoes cause China, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. have wages that are stupid low. It's basic economics. Manufacturing jobs naturally flow to the lowest cost production nations. This changes over time.

Put simply: WE DON'T WANT MOST OF THESE JOBS. Nor can we afford them, unless you know someone who *wants* to work for $1.50/hour.
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Everybody, even the stupid ones, needs to be a rocket surgeon. We can then have rocket surgery centers in all small towns.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He said COVID is a hoax? Link?
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"...How did Travis build his audience at a time when total podcast downloads, nationally, are down?

Like many other businesses, Travis’ has had to reorient its product offering. For instance, you may have seen that most restaurants switched their focus to take-out and delivery. And that movie studios have abandoned the theatrical release and sent films straight to video on demand.

It’s Business School 101. When you’ve been disrupted, you find other pathways to viability.

Clay Travis decided that, in the absence of sports, he could find a market niche by offering pseudo-scientific rants about how the media was overhyping coronavirus. He told listeners that the disease would only kill “a few hundred people” and that he doesn’t “believe it is going to impact hardly any of us at all.”

The Ballad of Clay Travis
#DBAP(F): Don’t Be A Pandemic Fraudster.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Everybody, even the stupid ones, needs to be a rocket surgeon. We can then have rocket surgery centers in all small towns.
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Look it. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

If people wanna make shoes, they're welcome to make shoes. It's a free country.

But basic economics dictates that it'll probably cost that person three or four or even five times as much to make those shoes by hand here.

You gonna buy the American-made $250 shoes that you could buy for $75 from Nike?
 
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MontyPython said:
Exactly.

Ask yourself this, Trump fans: Would you want your children to be like Donald Trump? Simple question: Yes or No.

I'll answer first: Trump is the person I hold up to my kiddo as exactly the person I would NEVER want him to be.

Donald Trump is the antithesis of everything pure and good that makes our country great.
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I wouldn't want my kids to grow up to be like Trump, Biden, Obama, GW Bush or Clinton.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I read a play on how they can get standing. The Equal Protection clause in the 14th was mostly related to individuals having protections from states, however via “reverse incorporation” that can be extrapolated to the Feds also. The leap of faith occurs in replaces the individuals with states. To summarize it would be substituting individuals protection from states with states protection from the Feds.

I don’t think they’re going to win. But I don’t think that was the play. I’m just trying to figure out what the real play is.
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I think the real play continues to be fund raising for Trump from loyal followers and the Texas AG sucking up for a pardon for his case which I believe is a federal case. Trump has raised well over $200 million.
 
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MontyPython said:
Look it. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

If people wanna make shoes, they're welcome to make shoes. It's a free country.

But basic economics dictates that it'll probably cost that person three or four or even five times as much to make those shoes by hand here.

You gonna buy the American-made $250 shoes that you could buy for $75 from Nike?
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The flip side to that is that not everyone is capable of doing much more than sweeping the floors in the shoe factory.
 
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MontyPython said:
Exactly.

Ask yourself this, Trump fans: Would you want your children to be like Donald Trump? Simple question: Yes or No.

I'll answer first: Trump is the person I hold up to my kiddo as exactly the person I would NEVER want him to be.

Donald Trump is the antithesis of everything pure and good that makes our country great.
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At least they wouldn't be 5 feet tall, if they were like Trump.
 
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PointGuard said:
I think the real play continues to be fund raising for Trump from loyal followers and the Texas AG sucking up for a pardon for his case which I believe is a federal case. Trump has raised well over $200 million.
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This case isn’t tied to Trump funding. I’m sure he’s using it but this came out of left field at the last minute. Then within 24 hours 17 more AGs piled on. They’ve got some play in mind.
 
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MontyPython said:
What do you mean, "When we decide that those things like making shoes are beneath us"? That ship has sailed years ago, my friend. Shoes are made in Asia.

We can buy cheap shoes cause China, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. have wages that are stupid low. It's basic economics. Manufacturing jobs naturally flow to the lowest cost production nations. This changes over time.

Put simply: WE DON'T WANT MOST OF THESE JOBS. Nor can we afford them, unless you know someone who *wants* to work for $1.50/hour.
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So where is your liberal good will about believing that foreign workers shouldn't be exploited and kids should be in school rather than sweat shops?

The other point in your argument is that the job is worth $1.50 an hour. It is at the point of manufacture IF you delete transportation costs and all the other costs of manufacturing in foreign countries. However, if unions got their grubby hands on the deal which had a lot to do with the loss of jobs in the first place, then no amount of overhead cost reduction would work. Question: how much raw material do you think goes into a $100+ pair of sneakers? How many manhours do you think goes into running the assembly line to manufacture a pair?
 
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AM64 said:
So where is your liberal good will about believing that foreign workers shouldn't be exploited and kids should be in school rather than sweat shops?

The other point in your argument is that the job is worth $1.50 an hour. It is at the point of manufacture IF you delete transportation costs and all the other costs of manufacturing in foreign countries. However, if unions got their grubby hands on the deal which had a lot to do with the loss of jobs in the first place, then no amount of overhead cost reduction would work. Question: how much raw material do you think goes into a $100+ pair of sneakers? How many manhours do you think goes into running the assembly line to manufacture a pair?
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Who said I advocated this? It's simply fact. It is what it is.

Per Quora:

In the 1990’s Nike paid their workers 20 cents an hour according to Snopes.com. The wage has gone up since. I have researched and found one article stating 50 cents and hour with a mandatory 1 dollar an hour if they work over time. Most of the workers are women and usually work no less than 48 hours weekly and generally work more than that.

The fringe benefits of the workers include beatings, human trafficking, and humiliation according to one page. How much of this is true I couldn’t say. What I can say that the average cost for a pair of Nike sneakers in Indonesia is 3 dollars a pair before exporting them. The bottom line on price per pair from factory to the store is a tad over $28.00 for a retail price of $100 and thousands upon thousand of Nike sneakers are made weekly. As you can see that is quite a bit of profit for the shareholders and owners. And at what cost to the people who make them filthy rich? Nike has been sited for this. What the outcome was I don’t know
 
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