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revjayp said:
I’m with ya.

Going back over the coaches we’ve had post Fulmer, the mistakes made were easily avoidable.

Kiffin-it’s My belief that has it not been USC, he may still be here to this day. I believe he regrets leaving here and would come back tomorrow. So the admin can’t be blamed on that.

Dooley- impatience. I believe leaving Kippy Brown in as an interim for that year would’ve saved us the last 10+ years of heartache. We would’ve had more time to thoroughly vet a coach and made a great hire. But the lack of patience cost us.

Butch- we almost got it right. He fits the modern day coach description except for several personal problems that we couldn’t have predicted. Allowing the demise of the S&C program is absurd and unheard of. That removed the element of accountability and discipline required to be elite. His unwillingness to take his hands off and allow his coaches to coach did him in. (We’re seeing the same thing with Pruitt.)

Pruitt- he was the tallest midget. With the coaching search debacle, we felt lucky to have him. Everything we were sold about him sounded great and made sense. But at the end of the day, he’s never been a HC and it’s showing big time. He looks and sounds in over his head. Plus, he couldn’t be more of a Bama homer. That’s never sat well with me. At no time should a program like TN hire a coordinator to be a first time HC. Lesson hopefully learned.

All of that being said, if we will apply what we’ve learned from these hires, we should have a good blueprint of what will work and what won’t.

But we’re Tennessee. So...
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Kiffin - I don't think he still would have been here, and the admin can be blamed for making it really cheap for him to bolt after just one year. Having said that, I do think he's a good coach and probably would have had us in an SECCG within a few years, especially given the strength of Florida and Georgia at the time. He also likely would have gotten us pulverized with sanctions at some point.

Dooley - The worst post-Fulmer mistake. I think his hire set the program back more than anything else that has happened. It isn't a 20-20 hindsight thing to say that naming Chaney or Kippy as interim HC would have been the right move; many people here and in the media were suggesting that. We also had a chance to get Cut, but Hammy wouldn't let him bring his Duke staff over. He panicked because he wanted to keep Kiffin's 2010 class that looked great on paper. Dooley was the most in-over-his-head coach I have ever seen in my life, and that includes Pruitt.

Butch - A hire that looked like it might have been OK at the outset. He did have some previous success as an HC, but it was at the G5 level and he followed in the footsteps of a great coach (Brian Kelly) both times. Butch was a huge misread by a lot of people, including me. Given the schools he came from and the success he had there, I assumed he was probably a competent Xs and Os coach/organizational head but would struggle recruiting high-level talent. He ended up being the exact opposite. He also was incredibly thin-skinned and I don't think he ever understood how big of a deal football is here, or exactly what the expectations were. He said himself that he wasn't disappointed by the 2015 and 2016 seasons.

Pruitt - Given everything that occurred, we were lucky to have ended up with a coach with a resume as good as his. That's how big of a cluster that thing was.
 
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Gilbert said:
Tony B said Freeze has been reaching out to the Haslam camp on the post game show. I know people scoff at Tony, but TIFWIW.
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I like Tony - you have to separate a lot of chaff from the wheat, but he's entertaining and I like him more than most people on VN do.
 
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ob79 said:
Unpopular opinion incoming...

We're not close to where I'd like us to be but, we're not as bad as I thought...at least from my in-person observation.

I haven't the faintest idea how we ended up where we are but, breaking in new coordinators, switching position coaches, and trying to get freshman players ready to play, in any year, is a tall task...but not having a Spring, 1/16th of a summer, and a limited fall increased the degree of difficulty to damn near impossible. Add in all the contact tracing, opt outs, and personal opinions that divide EVERYONE not just a team and...you get it.

I'm not making excuses. I expected a helluva lot more from JP and crew than this, but I've refrained from throwing in the towel on them.

Doesn't mean I that I would be against hiring a better candidate...just that that candidate better be guaranteed before we make a move. We can't afford another fubar'd coaching search.
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This is exactly where I’m at.

I’m OKAY with Freeze.. would actually prefer it. But don’t bring in some group of 5 guy that’s gonna everything about forget the game of football when he gets here
 
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05_never_again said:
Kiffin - I don't think he still would have been here, and the admin can be blamed for making it really cheap for him to bolt after just one year. Having said that, I do think he's a good coach and probably would have had us in an SECCG within a few years, especially given the strength of Florida and Georgia at the time. He also likely would have gotten us pulverized with sanctions at some point.

Dooley - The worst post-Fulmer mistake. I think his hire set the program back more than anything else that has happened. It isn't a 20-20 hindsight thing to say that naming Chaney or Kippy as interim HC would have been the right move; many people here and in the media were suggesting that. We also had a chance to get Cut, but Hammy wouldn't let him bring his Duke staff over. He panicked because he wanted to keep Kiffin's 2010 class that looked great on paper. Dooley was the most in-over-his-head coach I have ever seen in my life, and that includes Pruitt.

Butch - A hire that looked like it might have been OK at the outset. He did have some previous success as an HC, but it was at the G5 level and he followed in the footsteps of a great coach (Brian Kelly) both times. Butch was a huge misread by a lot of people, including me. Given the schools he came from and the success he had there, I assumed he was probably a competent Xs and Os coach/organizational head but would struggle recruiting high-level talent. He ended up being the exact opposite. He also was incredibly thin-skinned and I don't think he ever understood how big of a deal football is here, or exactly what the expectations were. He said himself that he wasn't disappointed by the 2015 and 2016 seasons.

Pruitt - Given everything that occurred, we were lucky to have ended up with a coach with a resume as good as his. That's how big of a cluster that thing was.
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Butch was easily offended. I hate the liberal media today as much as the next guy but he couldn’t answer any questions without being completely tore up over it.
 
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05_never_again said:
I like Tony - you have to separate a lot of chaff from the wheat, but he's entertaining and I like him more than most people on VN do.
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It’s the accent for me. Or maybe the voice. Or perhaps the mixture of the two.

Either way, it’s not pleasant on my ears.
 
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ricepatty said:
"Folks at South Carolina believe it's likely Graham is going to join Beamer's staff, but I was told by good source he isn't leaving. So we'll see how that plays out. Friend, Niedermeyer and Tee have expiring contracts but I think it's possible three get offered new ones to stay. "

-Patrick Brown 247
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Friend? Are you kidding me.... Fire him now.
 
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ricepatty said:
"Folks at South Carolina believe it's likely Graham is going to join Beamer's staff, but I was told by good source he isn't leaving. So we'll see how that plays out. Friend, Niedermeyer and Tee have expiring contracts but I think it's possible three get offered new ones to stay. "

-Patrick Brown 247
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If Friend stays, I beg everyone to leave Neyland empty next year.
 
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Dammit. If Pruitt brings back Friend and Weinke, I'll be even more miserable when we're losing next year.
 
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05_never_again said:
Kiffin - I don't think he still would have been here, and the admin can be blamed for making it really cheap for him to bolt after just one year. Having said that, I do think he's a good coach and probably would have had us in an SECCG within a few years, especially given the strength of Florida and Georgia at the time. He also likely would have gotten us pulverized with sanctions at some point.

Dooley - The worst post-Fulmer mistake. I think his hire set the program back more than anything else that has happened. It isn't a 20-20 hindsight thing to say that naming Chaney or Kippy as interim HC would have been the right move; many people here and in the media were suggesting that. We also had a chance to get Cut, but Hammy wouldn't let him bring his Duke staff over. He panicked because he wanted to keep Kiffin's 2010 class that looked great on paper. Dooley was the most in-over-his-head coach I have ever seen in my life, and that includes Pruitt.

Butch - A hire that looked like it might have been OK at the outset. He did have some previous success as an HC, but it was at the G5 level and he followed in the footsteps of a great coach (Brian Kelly) both times. Butch was a huge misread by a lot of people, including me. Given the schools he came from and the success he had there, I assumed he was probably a competent Xs and Os coach/organizational head but would struggle recruiting high-level talent. He ended up being the exact opposite. He also was incredibly thin-skinned and I don't think he ever understood how big of a deal football is here, or exactly what the expectations were. He said himself that he wasn't disappointed by the 2015 and 2016 seasons.

Pruitt - Given everything that occurred, we were lucky to have ended up with a coach with a resume as good as his. That's how big of a cluster that thing was.
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Kiffin--Immature
Dooley--Entitled A$$hole
Butch--Cliche Factory
Pruitt--Stubborn and Defiant
 
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ricepatty said:
"Folks at South Carolina believe it's likely Graham is going to join Beamer's staff, but I was told by good source he isn't leaving. So we'll see how that plays out. Friend, Niedermeyer and Tee have expiring contracts but I think it's possible three get offered new ones to stay. "

-Patrick Brown 247
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The fact he wants to bring back Will Friend is enough to fire his stupid ass today
 
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