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I feel like Chadwell is as much of a dice roll as Pruitt was. Obviously with Pruitt we have the benefit of hindsight, but I don't know. One good season in the Sun Belt and a signature win of BYU does not necessarily scream "sure thing."
 
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itsme said:
Here’s the thing about those guys though. They’ve built their respective programs. Pruitt is taking this program to a deeper place than we were with any of the other crappy coaches we’ve had.

Give me someone that has built something from a bad spot and I’ll be happy to take my chances on them over someone who’s never done it. I wanted Pruitt to succeed but there is not one thing positive about the football program at this time.

Butch followed on the coattails of Kelly, Dooley was a terrible head coach before Tennessee but we were in a lurch because of Kiffen.
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I get it. They built those smaller programs up, yada yada yada. Hooray for them. That does not equal SEC football. Have any of the beaten Bama, UF or UGA as a P5 HC? UT is not in a position to hire a “we’re hoping this guy’s ready for a bigger stage and can work the same magic” kinda coach. Just because they’ve had success as a HC at smaller schools doesn’t mean they are ready for an SEC HC gig. UT doesn’t need to be in the business of financing their first rodeo to find out either. UT needs a completely proven P5 HC, one that has gone toe-to-toe with our so-called rivals of Bama, UF or UGA (one can hardly consider them rivals nowadays), and preferably beaten one of them AS A HEAD COACH. They need instant success, as instant as you can get with this program given its recent demise.

To those that say no one of that caliber will come here. Agree to disagree. Money talks. We just try to see what a drag bunt will get us rather than swing for the fences.

I’m a small fish in a big pond. I get that. I’ve cut my financial support completely in every regard given the incompetence of this AD. They are on the verge of becoming completely irrelevant for the foreseeable future if they don’t get this next hire right, whether it’s this year or next. If this leadership doesn’t care about competing nationally in CFB then so be it. They’ve made their bed and will lie in it.
 
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Smyrna ATL Vol said:
No way we could get this lucky. Duke fires Cut. He better be at least our QB coach next year.
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If Duke is that dumb, then go get him for OC, promote Tee to HC (what better way to ease into that job with both Cut and Fulmer there with him), bring back Matt Luke for OL, go tell Witten to come home, and then holla at Steele and Garner.
 
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coskramer said:
From Brad Shepard on 247. Long but great read

He is a great defensive coordinator who has proven he is not a good head coach. He is not going to ever relinquish the play-calling duties on defense, and he is too immersed in everything to ever be a good CEO coach. There have been a couple of times this year where, in the postgame press conference, he mentioned "that was a bad play call by me."The scariest part to me is, despite his intimate involvement with the defense, it's still not very good. The secondary has failed to guard the middle of the field all season, and the defensive line has regressed since he took over. The pass rush is nonexistent. In the offseason, it was very obvious he sacrificed coaching prowess for recruiting ability, and where has it gotten us? To the point where the product on the field is so bad, the recruiting is being negatively affected. It's the most ridiculous thing you can do, and it's cost him.Those two things, to me, are the biggest indictments of the Pruitt coaching regime. The most glaring, however, is his mismanagement of the quarterback position, and that's why he's in such hot water. How many times have we seen mass coaching turnover as the final band-aid on a gaping wound? We see it every year. We saw it with Dooley. We saw it with Butch. We saw it with Herman last year. We saw it with Muschamp last year. It never helps. It's delaying the inevitable. I've seen the posts on "stopping the endless cycle," blah blah blah, but if you KNOW he isn't the answer, you have to pull the plug. At the very best, you keep Pruitt and demand he makes wholesale changes. Again, it never, ever works. Also, who can you realistically get who wants to board a sinking ship?For Tennessee to be in this position after an eight-win season is not OK. This is year 3. If he's still too stubborn to relinquish responsibilities at this point, there's no hope for him. If he's still flipping assistants every year, nobody wants to work for him and nobody works out, there's no hope for him. If you put your true freshman quarterback in game nine, and he's completely not ready because he's not really been developed and not had game reps because you've kept the least-clutch player in school history going out there every game, there's no hope for him. When college football these days is won with offense, and you have arguably one of the five most stagnant units in school history and I'm sitting in my living room predicting the play calls, there's no hope for him.Everybody has dealt with COVID-19. That's no excuse. Yes, it's going to cost a fortune, but if you keep Pruitt, how much more will it cost? People say the talent has been upgraded, but really has it? Where is the evidence of that? Do we look bigger? Stronger? Faster? Do we look like we're developing players? Are players getting that much better? On the other hand, when you bring in your own players and you're still playing Butch's players, what does that say about your confidence in the players you've brought in? The truth is, regardless of what the rankings say, Pruitt has not recruited that well. He still can't recruit kids from the state. He's thinking he's going to go to war with Alabama, Florida, Georgia and Clemson and get kids, and he doesn't. We continually lose out to them and settle.I could go on and on. The in-game coaching decisions are maddening. The lack of adjustments is inexplicable. The fact that we've gotten exponentially worse in the second half is a huge, glaring red light that should be blinking over and over again. I want to be wrong here, guys. But I'm not. We have to pull the plug. Moreover, there's a situation where you've got Hugh Freeze openly lobbying for the job, Billy Napier leaking to reporters he really wants the Tennessee job (he's a Tennessee boy), and the hottest coach in the country, Jamey Chadwell, hailing from East Tennessee and has a son named Heath who he named after Heath Shuler. You have to go make a few guys like Matt Campbell and some of the retired Whale Names tell you no (they will), but your FLOOR is three guys who would walk on broken glass to get here. Do we know they'd do a good job? No. There are no home runs, and that's scary. But we know the answer is not who is on the sideline right now for the Vols. How do you keep trotting out the same product on the field every week and think he's the answer? Fulmer's biggest mistake as a head coach was loyalty to his assistants. If he is the same way with Pruitt, we're just going to be dealing with this again next year when the candidate pool is perhaps not as strong.What do you guys think?
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I feel like Chadwell is as much of a dice roll as Pruitt was. Obviously with Pruitt we have the benefit of hindsight, but I don't know. One good season in the Sun Belt and a signature win of BYU does not necessarily scream "sure thing."
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There's but a handful of 'sure things'out there. And dare I say not one would come here.

So you fire Pruitt, you enter the world of the unknown... Again.

I'm not against it. I'm just not naive.. Change doesn't = success. Obviously. Lol.
 
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Dabo Sweeney, Manny Diaz, Lincoln Riley, Kelani Sitake are all Coaches who did not have a resume that their fan bases were happy with when they were hired. Chadwell or Napier are NOT Dooley or Jones. Looking at someone's resume on paper, or they lost to this team or this coach is not predictive on what kind of job they would do. Not pushing either one of them but to say you KNOW they wouldn't work out is ridiculous. If you're that sure bet your next paycheck online. All I know is both have personalities that draw players to them, have an innovative and creative Offensive mind and have good PR skills. Dooley and Jones had all but 3 of those qualities. The current roster is filled with size, speed, and talent that is not being developed or used. The Roster actually has SEC players on it that weren't here in the past. From the outside looking in it appears that Pruitt, Chaney, etc. are NOT making these kids want to run through a brick wall for them.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
I would have bet a lot of money that Fuente, Herman, and Harbaugh would have been home run hires.

Point being.. I'm not going to raise hell if we hire another "McGoogle" coach. What do I know. I'm going to give anybody a chance. I just really hope it is someone who has a great offensive mind.

But you miss 100% of the coaching hires you can't make because Beldar is still here.
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Law of averages we have to get it right eventually. Right?

If you hire Freeze, at least you show that you’re trying. Texas and Michigan may have missed, but at least they tried. Neither one of those programs would give Pruitt another year. Hell, I can’t think of prestigious SEC program that would either.
 
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RiotVol said:
If Duke is that dumb, then go get him for OC, promote Tee to HC (what better way to ease into that job with both Cut and Fulmer there with him), bring back Matt Luke for OL, go tell Witten to come home, and then holla at Steele and Garner.
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Yes, this is an ELITE idea.
 
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RiotVol said:
If Duke is that dumb, then go get him for OC, promote Tee to HC (what better way to ease into that job with both Cut and Fulmer there with him), bring back Matt Luke for OL, go tell Witten to come home, and then holla at Steele and Garner.
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Wild thought... a National Championship winning QB with his former OC as his OC.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I feel like Chadwell is as much of a dice roll as Pruitt was. Obviously with Pruitt we have the benefit of hindsight, but I don't know. One good season in the Sun Belt and a signature win of BYU does not necessarily scream "sure thing."
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I know he’s an offensive guy but does he call the plays there? With the way the game has evolved, we need an offensive minded guy this next go around...just not a bUtch offense
 
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Leeleesteeth said:
Dabo Sweeney, Manny Diaz, Lincoln Riley, Kelani Sitake are all Coaches who did not have a resume that their fan bases were happy with when they were hired. Chadwell or Napier are NOT Dooley or Jones. Looking at someone's resume on paper, or they lost to this team or this coach is not predictive on what kind of job they would do. Not pushing either one of them but to say you KNOW they wouldn't work out is ridiculous. If you're that sure bet your next paycheck online. All I know is both have personalities that draw players to them, have an innovative and creative Offensive mind and have good PR skills. Dooley and Jones had all but 3 of those qualities. The current roster is filled with size, speed, and talent that is not being developed or used. The Roster actually has SEC players on it that weren't here in the past. From the outside looking in it appears that Pruitt, Chaney, etc. are NOT making these kids want to run through a brick wall for them.
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This time has to be the biggest name coach we can get. If he doesn't work out, that's fine, at least it showed everyone that TN is trying to get right. 3 "McGoogle" coaching hires have made me restless and my confidence level in the athletic department is zero. I need to be impressed this time and not have to convince myself that this guy will finally be the one.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
I feel like Chadwell is as much of a dice roll as Pruitt was. Obviously with Pruitt we have the benefit of hindsight, but I don't know. One good season in the Sun Belt and a signature win of BYU does not necessarily scream "sure thing."
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He's succeeded in every level but P5. I don't know what else the guy had to do other than get a P5 level job and succeed there
 
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