Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

This. It’s ever more important to look at the minority coaches in MLB and NFL

Why does it have to be about race? Why can’t we hire the best and employ who we think is the best candidate. If that means black, white, Asian, etc. then hire who is the best fit.

 

[Batman1948]

College football hot seat: Will Michigan, Texas jobs open? Or will 2021 be craziest carousel ever? (yahoo.com)

Interesting story on how crowded the coaching search market might be next year.

It's crowded pretty much every year. Maybe some bigger schools will join the search next year but the search is always crowded.

 

["It's Time"]

Todd Kelly's interception vs. Oklahoma in 2015 is the loudest I've heard it.

I was at both, OK was the loudest I’ve heard a game start to finish. That stadium was out for blood that night, team just couldn’t finish.

04 was the single loudest moment I’ve been apart of. My opinion of course

 

[Jackcrevol]

I was at both, OK was the loudest I’ve heard a game start to finish. That stadium was out for blood that night, team just couldn’t finish.

04 was the single loudest moment I’ve been apart of. My opinion of course

04 Wilhoit kick

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Jayson Swain’s effort for the first and reaching the end zone also gets forgotten.

Along with the unsportsmanlike on UF that helped jumpstart that drive.

 

[Batman1948]

$$$$$. It would be too smart for this administration though. But If Pruitt is retained, imagine Pruitt DC and Herman OC. On paper, that’s a top notch duo.

If Herman is fired at Texas, I doubt he will be looking for a OC position right off the bat. Unless he gets his entire buyout up front, he may lay low (Butch style) and milk Texas for a few years.

 

[Catbone]

The boos vs georgia state was the loudest I've heard in Neyland

 

[Kingston Vol]

Fair point. Let me play devil's advocate if you will. One could legitimately, ask the question why 61% of college football players are black. The implication is that the 10.8% representation of black coaches is too low and due to racism. On the other hand, one could also argue on the same premise that it's due to racism that 61% of players are black. The only way to reconcile all of this is to put the best coaches on the sideline and the best players on the field solely based on coaching skills/athletic skills regardless of ethnic background. Whenever we start making decisions to reward/ punish/include/exclude with race as a criteria, it's generally the beginning of confusion and division.

I agree with you on all of this, however, I would argue the decision-making process for "who should play" is a lot more fair than the hiring process.

I don't really want to have this conversation on a website that is 98% white with a fanbase that is probably 75% conservative. It's clear how it's going to go and 1) this isn't the place for it and 2) I legitimately have no interest in getting people upset.

All I'll say is, we have made the decision we're fine with black people filling 61% of the labor positions, but we don't hire them at commensurate rates for the position that would require them to be the faces of our programs or our decision makers.

And I would say it doesn't have to be deemed as "racism." People employ people who look like them, no matter the job or industry. College football is no exception.

 

["It's Time"]

04 Wilhoit kick

Yes sir.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Yes sir.

Gator fan behind me cried

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Florida lost another player from the ‘18 class to the transfer portal. This time former 4 star RB Iverson Clemente.

That makes 15 Kids from the ‘18-20 classes that have either transferred or JUCO’d out.

I think they’re being anchored by insanely elite QB play this year but that their depth will be tested immensely next season.

Also, can we talk about their numbers? Signed 24 kids last year and took in SEVEN transfers. Currently have 26 kids committed this cycle and is taking transfer RB Demarcus Bowmen.

Wtf gives??

 

[Batman1948]

-Bob_Vols on 247

How in the world is Ansley gonna be considered for any head coach position next year? If he is under consideration, I hope he takes the opportunity.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Florida lost another player from the ‘18 class to the transfer portal. This time former 4 star RB Iverson Clemente.

That makes 15 Kids from the ‘18-20 classes that have either transferred or JUCO’d out.

I think they’re being anchored by insanely elite QB play this year but that their depth will be tested immensely next season.

Also, can we talk about their numbers? Signed 24 kids last year and took in SEVEN transfers. Currently have 26 kids committed this cycle and is taking transfer RB Demarcus Bowmen.

Wtf gives??

Sounds like racism.

 

[MrVolton]

Florida lost another player from the ‘18 class to the transfer portal. This time former 4 star RB Iverson Clemente.

That makes 15 Kids from the ‘18-20 classes that have either transferred or JUCO’d out.

I think they’re being anchored by insanely elite QB play this year but that their depth will be tested immensely next season.

Also, can we talk about their numbers? Signed 24 kids last year and took in SEVEN transfers. Currently have 26 kids committed this cycle and is taking transfer RB Demarcus Bowmen.

Wtf gives??

They will always have insanely elite QB play because of who their coach is.

 

[Devo182]

How was Bama viewed circa 2006? I don't remember the national perception of them at that point. They had been down for a long time but managed to land Saban, who wasn't quite viewed on the level he is today but was still a can't miss coach even back then.

Bama is historically dominant but they hadn't done much since the early 90s at that point.

Forget who I was listening to yesterday, but someone on ESPN Radio made the point that Alabama made a gamechanging move at the time by changing the "financial paradigm" in college football by going huge for Saban.

So glad they did and we likely never will. Ugh. People can talk about Texas money, but no way Alabama at the time was just pouring in insane money. Yet they still made it happen.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Was there. Upper deck under the V (before the jumbotron). Watching the goalposts moving around the field like leaves floating on a pond was surreal. Good times.

I was in the student section E around 15 yard line. And yes, I was on the field afterwards. It was pandemonium, and so fun! Good times!

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

They will always have insanely elite QB play because of who their coach is.

“Always”

 

[TrippieRedd]

Yo @CreiveHallVol if you haven’t tried Jack Herer Crumble.....you need to.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Y’all know who isn’t racist?

Megan Mullen.

 

[05_never_again]

Fair point. Let me play devil's advocate if you will. One could legitimately, ask the question why 61% of college football players are black. The implication is that the 10.8% representation of black coaches is too low and due to racism. On the other hand, one could also argue on the same premise that it's due to racism that 61% of players are black. The only way to reconcile all of this is to put the best coaches on the sideline and the best players on the field solely based on coaching skills/athletic skills regardless of ethnic background. Whenever we start making decisions to reward/ punish/include/exclude with race as a criteria, it's generally the beginning of confusion and division.

This might be more of a thing in basketball, but I think it could also happen in football. A lot of basketball and football coaches are ex-players, and with few exceptions they generally are ex-players who weren't very good during their playing days. They were marginal at best, and once their playing days were over many get into coaching. Oftentimes, marginal players in these sports are white. Particularly basketball. Regardless, sports is the biggest meritocracy there is. The assertion that college or professional teams think in a widespread fashion that a black coach is actually the best candidate, but they don't select them because they are racist sounds simply absurd.

Also, if 11% of college head coaches are black, that's actually almost perfectly in line with their share of the general population. The United States is 13% black. Obviously, black people are extremely overrepresented among the players. It seems like there's an assumption being made that since blacks are overrepresented among players, they should also be overrepresented among coaches. Not every difference from what you'd expect is a result of racism.

 

[Sevier Volunteer]

I’ve heard people say this is the loudest moment in Neyland history. I’ve also heard the Travis Stephens go ahead TD against Georgia in 01. My personal loudest was Jennings burning Tabor in 16.

I was hanging with friends on 17th street in '04, the crowd sounded like I was standing outside the stadium. KPD was patrolling the area and people were running out shaking their cruisers... it was wild

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I go away for a couple of hours and you mofos put down 18 pages..... jeeeeez I’m not reading all that

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Few things in twitter are as odd as Trey Wallace’s profile picture.

 

[Dooby15]

How in the world is Ansley gonna be considered for any head coach position next year? If he is under consideration, I hope he takes the opportunity.

Agreed. Don’t understand all the Ansley hype.

 

[Devo182]

if we had good qb play, we could be +2 or 3 in the w column this year. would have likely been at least +2 last year too.

Every team can say that, though.

UF won back to back East titles while scoring no more than we are now. If Pruitt was the elite defensive mind he was sold as, we should at least be competitive and not losing to Ga St.

Unfortunately, this is farrr bigger than just the lack of QB play.