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Aesius said:
How was Bama viewed circa 2006? I don't remember the national perception of them at that point. They had been down for a long time but managed to land Saban, who wasn't quite viewed on the level he is today but was still a can't miss coach even back then.

Bama is historically dominant but they hadn't done much since the early 90s at that point.
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They were viewed quite similarly to how Tennessee is now. Good brand, historically successful, but perhaps the game had passed them by and newer money programs like Florida had passed them by.

Saban's reputation was different then than it is today. Remember, he had already won a national title at LSU when he took the Alabama job, so he had plenty of street cred from that. However, he had just flamed out in the NFL, and ended up in T-town in controversial fashion after repeatedly telling the media that he wasn't going to Alabama. He had something of a "good coach, but dishonest person" reputation. And there was some skepticism that he was going to turn them around, mostly because Alabama was far removed from their last strong period in the early 90s.
 
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butchna said:
I’d go back to the UGA game. Even with the lead, you were waiting for the other shoe to drop...and of course they dropped a box of hobnail boots courtesy of a walk-on QB. But if we’re honest, this dates back to 2018. Was Helton as horrible as we built up or was he another casualty?
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honestly i don't know. but you can't rule it out knowing what we know now. and i'm sure Helton giggles a ittle bit when he sees highlights.

but it was a sign, and it was talked about back then, that JG's best weapon was a 50/50 ball to tall WR's....folks made a big deal about his stats that dayagainst Auburn...but literally every one of those was a sideline 50/50 ball that we came down with......

and man of them were on 3rd and longs. anyway, the O line sucked nad we had no run game and WR was a question mark....so we really didn't know if it was the sum of the parts, or what.

we know better now i think......
 
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For those talking about Herman... Remember when he did this? People can change, but he has a lot of growing up to do.
 
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jakez4ut said:
they were holding on tight at that point to the "bama way" looking for any bear bryant desciple to bring back the glory...and after several failed attempts, they finally went outside the family and that didn't go well either....it was every bit as inept leadership as we're experiencing now.....before we got kiffin'd, they got franchionne'd........and then they went to the Pac 10 and hired MIke Price...for like 10 minutes.....kinda like we did with Schiano...but all Mike did was go to the florabama and hook up with a stripper....ours, not as much fun....but same result nonetheless.....so they want back to the bryant model and finished up with dubose and shula....

when the fired Shula, after he had just won the West the year before, most figured "hahaha, look at them...gonna do it again to themselves...." and that's how it went, initially, because, don't forget, Bama didn't start on Saban, they wound up there....they got told NO first, notably by Rich Rod from WVU........so by the time they went "all in" on SAban, there was an air of desperation to it.....and a lot of people had to get out of the way in Tuscaloosa to get him to take the job.

Bama from 00-05 was a lot like we have been since 08. the wrong people pulling the strings.

the difference is to get Saban, people had to get out of the way or get left behind.....cuase they were going this way, and this way only.

we haven't ever done that. til we do...............................................
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I’m glad you remember it the same way I do👀😅 a lot of people forget just how bad bama was.they were a punching bag in the sec and was suppressed by UT’s and Florida’s success in the SEC.
 
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jakez4ut said:
they were holding on tight at that point to the "bama way" looking for any bear bryant desciple to bring back the glory...and after several failed attempts, they finally went outside the family and that didn't go well either....it was every bit as inept leadership as we're experiencing now.....before we got kiffin'd, they got franchionne'd........and then they went to the Pac 10 and hired MIke Price...for like 10 minutes.....kinda like we did with Schiano...but all Mike did was go to the florabama and hook up with a stripper....ours, not as much fun....but same result nonetheless.....so they want back to the bryant model and finished up with dubose and shula....

when the fired Shula, after he had just won the West the year before, most figured "hahaha, look at them...gonna do it again to themselves...." and that's how it went, initially, because, don't forget, Bama didn't start on Saban, they wound up there....they got told NO first, notably by Rich Rod from WVU........so by the time they went "all in" on SAban, there was an air of desperation to it.....and a lot of people had to get out of the way in Tuscaloosa to get him to take the job.

Bama from 00-05 was a lot like we have been since 08. the wrong people pulling the strings.

the difference is to get Saban, people had to get out of the way or get left behind.....cuase they were going this way, and this way only.

we haven't ever done that. til we do...............................................
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I can't like this post enough, fact of the matter is we will have to come to this point at some time. When noone knows, but for this program to return to achieving the success we want and hope for it, we will need to make a bold decision and tell everyone to get on board, or out of the way. I thought we were heading that direction with PF taking the AD job, unfortunately that hasn't proved to be the case quite yet.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Lol. People think of the most petty reasons to bash a coach when he is on his way out.
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Herman did a lot of weird stuff at Texas. Pee chart, served burnt toast and nasty food to the losing side of the ball after practice, etc. He also hasn’t done a good job getting the most out of his players.

The more I’ve reflected on Herman, the less interested I am in him coaching here. Butch Jones 2.0

The one thing I still respect about Pruitt is that he’s a good dude and the players like him. Don’t think you could say the same for Herman at texas. Ehlinger threw some shade at him after the IAST game
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Herman did a lot of weird stuff at Texas. Pee chart, served burnt toast and nasty food to the losing side of the ball after practice, etc. He also hasn’t done a good job getting the most out of his players.

The more I’ve reflected on Herman, the less interested I am in him coaching here. Butch Jones 2.0

The one thing I still respect about Pruitt is that he’s a good dude and the players like him. Don’t think you could say the same for Herman at texas. Ehlinger threw some shade at him after the IAST game
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He also moaned and groaned about people throwing the horns down sign.
 
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Adam2014 said:
For those talking about Herman... Remember when he did this? People can change, but he has a lot of growing up to do.
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Kiffin threw his play sheet 50 rows into the stands a few weeks ago.. half this board would crawl across 50 miles of glass to have him be our HC again. I don't think Herman's antics would be an issue.. hell, I'd die of happiness if JP would show some animation on the sideline this year instead of looking like a robot
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Kiffin’s problem was having too much swagger/confidence. Herman acts like a passive aggressive bit
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Potatoes tomatoes. Herman bought in too much into the Longhorn mystique. He’s an elite offensive mind and great recruiter. Like Kiffin cept with a successful marriage.
 
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Dooby15 said:


Maybe one of the more under appreciated moments.
BTW, Neyland will always be ready to be electric like it was after that kick. We just need to win and be competitive a little bit.
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Section PP, never forget that night.

I was 16 with my best friend and the first game we ever went to by ourselves.
 
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yourstruly23 said:
Kiffin threw his play sheet 50 rows into the stands a few weeks ago.. half this board would crawl across 50 miles of glass to have him be our HC again. I don't think Herman's antics would be an issue.. hell, I'd die of happiness if JP would show some animation on the sideline this year instead of looking like a robot
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Well, he did kick a whiteboard that one time... haha
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
When I look at it I'm going to throw out the NC guys. They haven't played a senior season so we don't know what they have, and, quite frankly, the competition for them wasn't that great either if we're being honest.

But going down the class, we do have some nice pieces in the RB class, Salter has a chance to be really good with development (please hire a QB coach!), and of course Brooks is the best player in this class. But after them, what are we looking at? The OL class is poor and we desperately needed an elite tackle. The DL class is average with Katron Evans being the biggest piece and, again, who was our comp for him? Not that he isn't good, I'm just not sure he's an elite player there. He is ranked inside the top 200 though on the composite so we'll see.

We desperately need LB's, I like willis, but he's undersized and wouldn't surprise me to see him playing star or something. The rest of the class? :confused: The WR class is very poor, with Roc Taylor being the best piece, and he's still a 3 star. It does help to see that AU pushed for him, but outside of that, our receiver class is very poor imo. I do like the TE's, but Wolfe is coming off of a season ending injury so will he be the same again? Who know's. Campbell is good I think.

After them you've got a whole bunch of "trust the coaches" on their evaluation in Rucker, Charles, Wright, Howard, White, Jones, and Bell.

In other words, we needed to nail this class, and barring some last minute additions which, at least at this point don't seem to be happening, this class is very, very underwhelming and is not helping us close the gap with the top schools that we want to compete against. We struck out on the top targets of Mims, Green, Mondon, and TID that would have made this class much better, and now we have lost Lewis and McGhee. This isn't good.
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No one should be surprised or hoped for more at this point in the season with how we've underperformed and the clear instability of coaching and clear lack of development. I think we'll be lucky to even hold onto this. It's not hard to see we've been playing like hot garbage, so there's nothing to sell recruits and why would they want to come here? Until this program finally starts to show steady, consistent improvement each year for at least three seasons, no matter who the coach is, we are not gonna get any big fish/high tier kids. We show some consistent improvement and discipline, and they will come.
 
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butchna said:
Potatoes tomatoes. Herman bought in too much into the Longhorn mystique. He’s an elite offensive mind and great recruiter. Like Kiffin cept with a successful marriage.
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Texas was his dream job. It’s where his career started. Wouldn’t really say he bought into the mystique because he saw it at its best. His problem is that he seems like a douche and his players don’t like him. He wouldn’t work out here
 
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volsfan_17 said:
I can't like this post enough, fact of the matter is we will have to come to this point at some time. When noone knows, but for this program to return to achieving the success we want and hope for it, we will need to make a bold decision and tell everyone to get on board, or out of the way. I thought we were heading that direction with PF taking the AD job, unfortunately that hasn't proved to be the case quite yet.
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Who out there has that kind of Saban cred ca. 2007? I'd say it's Urban Meyer and Hugh Freeze. Every other name listed feels like a Mike Shula or a Mike Price, and I'd rather just roll with Pruitt another year if that's the case.
 
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