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Kingston Vol said:
Right, the Barnes stuff is a perfect example of this. They saw his value, a blueblood came in for him, and they did what it took to keep him around.

A previous athletic director or previous President, or any combination of the two, probably don't get that done.

My guess is that the same energy and cooperation can work in reverse. IF those two make the decision that Pruitt is dead, it won't take long at all for them to get all the ducks moving in that row. It may not happen, but my gut has been all this time that two beatdowns would get them there.

Recruiting falling off would only exacerbate the issue - Fulmer probably keeps track of recruiting more closely than any AD we've ever had. He talks to recruits and their parents all the time.

Fulmer has a new contract and his "loyalty" is to the University, not to Jeremy Pruitt. My opinion is that will not be an issue in this discussion.
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Do you think the ESD is playing into the thought process at all? Do you sign who you can sign on ESD and then worry about transfers/NLI's later?
 
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SD189 said:
Haha small world. Hopefully I didn’t ever come off like an obnoxious prick. I came over to Bearden from Central with Ben Jones after they(administration) tried to pull some bs with Jones. Had a blast trying to turn the Bearden kids into bullies 🤣 Johnny Majors grandson was our 220 my last year in Knoxville.
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Haha I don't think so. I wrestled Gara***nt my senior year at the duel tourney in Smyrna I think. Bearden always had tough, hardnosed guys. I enjoy that style.
 
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Make no mistake about it the fact there were no fans in Neyland this year and we're playing it safe with TBA too has likely slowed the desire to buyout Pruitt & staff.
 
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LA Vol said:
When you're trying hard to row in the same direction, a coup is counterproductive. Fulmer has been standing behind Pruitt. Boyd is standing behind his AD. Others are standing with Fulmer and Boyd. Division among leadership is not what UT wants.

UT does not have the money to make this change. They're already lining up funding to manage this year's COVID-induced shortfall. They're projecting a similar shortfall next year. Of course, the money can be found-- and if Boyd wants to make a coaching change, it will be sourced. UT is already looking at alternative scenarios for the next few years. But funding a HC buyout would come with strings. Some people are going to be unhappy no matter what UT does.
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If they’ve got a Sarkisian, Marrone, or O’Brien on the phone and interested. I don’t see how they can afford not to make the move. If the current $6¡7show continues, fewer and fewer people are going to pay to watch it.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
ESD is going to be a factor no matter which year you decide to do this.
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I agree, but if Pruitt struggles again next year they'd probably pull a Muschamp and fire him mid-season. Plus, you most likely won't have to deal with another COVID season that's not ending until the same weekend as ESD.
 
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Do you think a youth movement heals the locker room issues?
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A large part of it will be because of contact tracing because seniors can return next year. JG is not returning so that’s why you see a move there. COVID is the main issue with the locker room stuff. Since August some of these young guys have worked their tails off in practice with older guys out and cover versa then comes game time and older guys get the nod. Younger guys haven’t take well or understood why they aren’t playing more which is natural. Losing doesn’t help. I think a lot of that has been cleared up now for the most part but how that is handled moving forward will be important for Pruitt. I think he’s done a good job in that regard the last 3 weeks.
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MrVolton said:
If they’ve got a Sarkisian, Marrone, or O’Brien on the phone and interested. I don’t see how they can afford not to make the move. If the current $6¡7show continues, fewer and fewer people are going to pay to watch it.
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Meyer is probably the only name that would immediately move the needle. And he and Fulmer talk, so if Meyer had interest, it would've been made known.
 
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pierce60 said:
I know this is random, but Dan Harralson might be the worst writer on the Tennessee beat. He just dropped a story talking with a high school coach about what it's like to coach with Hugh Freeze and his ability to motivate players. Why write a story about the coach at Liberty University? Or did Tennessee hire Hugh Freeze and no one knew it?
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stirring the pot and im here for it
 
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Been a fan since the early 60's (yes I am old) and find it humorous the complaints about the administration going the cheap route in head coach searches, This has been the case for over 50 years. Looking back:
1960-63: basically a .500 program and hired Dickey an assistant off the Frank Broyles' Arkansas staff. He had played QB at UF under Woodruff who was the UT AD at this time. CDD coaches from 64-69 and leaves to return to his alma mater (UF) so the Vols promote Battle, a 29 year old assistant on the staff with NO HC experience. Watch him take a national program (#4 in his year) to barely a .500 team in 7 short years. Hired Majors (only big name coach to be hired in my lifetime) in 77. Record was barely 500 in first few years and started to trend upwards however never attained the anticipated status on a regular basis, CPF became interim coach during Major's illness and his performance prompted Major's early return which drove a wedge between the two. CPF made it known he would seek a HC role if not named HC. Admin acquiesced to his coup. We know the story from CPF to now.

Bottom line: UT admin has seldom sought big name coaches but rather chosen the cheap untried route, Now you know the rest of the story :)
 
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pierce60 said:
I know this is random, but Dan Harralson might be the worst writer on the Tennessee beat. He just dropped a story talking with a high school coach about what it's like to coach with Hugh Freeze and his ability to motivate players. Why write a story about the coach at Liberty University? Or did Tennessee hire Hugh Freeze and no one knew it?
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Violence and Hugh Freeze sell news.
 
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Volator said:
Been a fan since the early 60's (yes I am old) and find it humorous the complaints about the administration going the cheap route in head coach searches, This has been the case for over 50 years. Looking back:
1960-63: basically a 500 program and hired Dickey an assistant off the Arkansas staff of Frank Broyles. He had played QB at UF under Woodruff who was the UT AD at this time.CDD coaches from 64-69 and leaves to return to his alma mater (UF) so the Vols promote Battle, a 29 year old assistant on the staff with NO HC experience. Watch him take a national program (#4 in his year) to barely a 500 team in 7 short years. Hired Majors (only big name coach to be hired in my lifetime) in 77. Record was barely 500 in first few years and started to trend upwards however never attained the anticipated status on a regular basis, CPF became interim coach during Major's illness and his performance prompted Major's early return which drove wedge between the two. CPF made it known he would seek a HC role if not named HC. Admin acquiesced to his coup. We know the story from CPF to now.

Bottom line: UT admin has seldom sought big name coaches but rather chosen the cheap untried route, Now you know the rest of the story :)
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While I agree with this history lesson, and appreciate your lifetime of UT Fandom, it could also be said that up until the last 10 years of football was there any type of expectation to 'go big'. That's one of the problems in my opinion. There's only so many proven HC commodities, but all HCs are going to demand more resources than we've ever seen before and its not slowing down. We're not the only school that is experiencing this cycle, however we may be the one who's endured it the fastest due to our circumstances of 4 HC in this new money era.
 
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LA Vol said:
When you're trying hard to row in the same direction, a coup is counterproductive. Fulmer has been standing behind Pruitt. Boyd is standing behind his AD. Others are standing with Fulmer and Boyd. Division among leadership is not what UT wants.

UT does not have the money to make this change. They're already lining up funding to manage this year's COVID-induced shortfall. They're projecting a similar shortfall next year. Of course, the money can be found-- and if Boyd wants to make a coaching change, it will be sourced. UT is already looking at alternative scenarios for the next few years. But funding a HC buyout would come with strings. Some people are going to be unhappy no matter what UT does.
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Tbh we all need to face reality. We will never win the national championship again. Hell, there's a pretty good chance we won't win the SEC championship game in our lifetime.

But we can and should win 8 games a year with an average coach. We almost ALWAYS have more talented rosters than 8 of our opponents. Why can't we bring in an average coach that can beat less talented teams and lose to more talented teams?

We will lose to Georgia, Alabama, and Florida every year. Fine. But not averaging winning 8 games is pathetic and embarrassing with the recruiting classes we bring in.
 
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Johnny Majors' Ghost said:


$$$ will not be an issue if it is determined a change needs to be made. Also mention that if UT wants Freeze they can get him.
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It didn't make the rounds here but Austin Price and Chris Lowe were talking about Harrison Bailey and Jeremy Pruitt's job status on The Nation either last week or the week before. They were both kind of chuckling and saying "they know they have to beat Vanderbilt to have a chance at survival. Everything will be geared towards that."

Also, there are plenty of programs who will have the opportunity to hire Hugh Freeze because no one is going to touch him.
 
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