Hugh Freeze mega thread and poll [merged]

Do you want Tennessee to hire Hugh Freeze?

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    Votes: 1,219 77.4%

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    Votes: 360 22.9%
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What really happened with Hugh Freeze, Alabama and SEC

According to this article, Sankey never told Saban he COULDN’T hire Freeze. It says that he “encouraged” Alabama not to hire him. The article also went on to state that “The SEC ‘preferred’ that Freeze go off the radar for at least a little while before trying to return to work at one of its schools.”
 
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utvolpj said:
I simply understand the reality of the sport. You're the one ignoring it
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I'm not ignoring it I'm saying it's not happening that much and when it does the cheaters usually get caught and pay the price. I'm against cheating in sports at any level, always have been as it was the way I was taught to play. You either believe in those values or you don't, it's really a pretty simple question to answer. One reason I'm a fan of UT is because historically we're not known as a cheating institution, does it happen, sure it does but not so much anymore. Back in my day Carl Pickens and Alvin Harper had orange Nike shoe boxes full of Ben Franklin's, today's players get basically a full wardrobe, 3 high class meals a day, insurance and a cost of living stipend, simply put they are no longer in a dire situation when they go to a place like UT on full athletic scholarship.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Besides, Arkansas has Kendal Briles on staff with his previous NCAA Level II violations.
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All of his penalties were self imposed by the school, the NCAA just agreed with Baylor about Briles on their self imposed penalties. I'm not aware of the NCAA putting him on any further sanctions so not sure he would fit the criteria. He would be a good example if he did meet the criteria and was allowed to coach, it still doesn't mean that it didn't go through the commissioner before he was hired.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
All of his penalties were self imposed by the school, the NCAA just agreed with Baylor about Briles on their self imposed penalties. I'm not aware of the NCAA putting him on any further sanctions so not sure he would fit the criteria. He would be a good example if he did meet the criteria and was allowed to coach, it still doesn't mean that it didn't go through the commissioner before he was hired.
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SEC bylaws make no distinction between self-imposed penalties, and/or NCAA sanctions, they only mention Level I and Level II NCAA infractions, of which Kendal Briles was found by the NCAA to have committed a Level II infraction.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Maybe so but I don't think it's anywhere near the same today as it was back then. We certainly were not playing players hundreds of thousands of $$$ like Bama and Auburn did through the 80's and 90's.
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Maybe not but cheating is cheating every program does it to some extent
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
So you have no problem with cheating to win I assume, speaks to your character I feel.
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So Tennessee doesn’t cheat now? They weren’t cheating when Phil was head coach? Every major college football program cheats. It’s just to what degree that they do it.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Sankey consulted Saban and Gus by telling them they could not hire Freeze and they did exactly as he consulted them to do.
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He can advise them of anything he wants but it’s beyond his power to block a hire. Now possibly he can level sanctions against a program for a hire but he cannot block it.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
Can't keep up can you mr negativity. I stated clearly that the programs could vote and change the bylaws but none of them challenged the bylaw 2 years ago when Saban wanted to hire Freeze, why do you think they've changed their minds now? You thinking Saban is more powerful than the commissioner sounds like something an Alabama commie fan would say, your name isn't Marty is it?
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Again what part of the bylaws specifically gives the commissioner the right to “block” a hire? It says he must be consulted period that’s it. Now I’m sure the commissioner can strongly suggest against a hire but he cannot block it.
 
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I might be wrong about this, but if I remember correctly-Freeze was considering coming here but elected to take the Liberty job. I do remember some of the debate on here about what move would be in his best interest (OC here VS head coach at Liberty). There might have been some talk about Sankey advising against it, but my understanding was that he could’ve had a job here if he wanted it.
 
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Pulaski, I posted this same thing a couple of weeks ago and got the same responses your getting. A couple of posters seem to put more importance on being right that really reading what you or I said. As far as the Saban/Freeze deal, all I said was the Commish told Saban not to hire him and he didn't, so, regardless of what the bylaws says he legally can do, Saban didn't hire him so that is still a block by my definition. But some here will debate this with you forever it seems, just to say they are right.
 
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I understand the bi laws and all but once a coach gets a show cause which Freeze got a year, there are hoops from the NCAA and SEC to get through not saying it can't happen but there are obstacles
 
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MBVFL1 said:
I understand the bi laws and all but once a coach gets a show cause which Freeze got a year, there are hoops from the NCAA and SEC to get through not saying it can't happen but there are obstacles
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Once the show cause has expired there is no obstacle or hoops to jump through.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Pulaski, I posted this same thing a couple of weeks ago and got the same responses your getting. A couple of posters seem to put more importance on being right that really reading what you or I said. As far as the Saban/Freeze deal, all I said was the Commish told Saban not to hire him and he didn't, so, regardless of what the bylaws says he legally can do, Saban didn't hire him so that is still a block by my definition. But some here will debate this with you forever it seems, just to say they are right.
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If you're changing definitions to fit your argument it's easy to be right.

You were wrong then just a PVF is wrong now.
 
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Ha, ha, knew I would get a quick response from you 88 saying the same thing. Thanks for backing up what I said, you are blind to what your reading just wanting to say your right. Funny thing about it, I'm not and never have disagreed with you about the bylaw. If your capable, read again what I said.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Ha, ha, knew I would get a quick response from you 88 saying the same thing. Thanks for backing up what I said, you are blind to what your reading just wanting to say your right. Funny thing about it, I'm not and never have disagreed with you about the bylaw. If your capable, read again what I said.
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I did read what yo wrote and you tried changing the definition to make yourself look right.
 
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Ha, let me ask you a question 88, When Saban wanted to hire Freeze, the Commish asked him not to for whatever reason. Did he hire Freeze or did he not. Its a yes or no question.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Ha, let me ask you a question 88, When Saban wanted to hire Freeze, the Commish asked him not to for whatever reason. Did he hire Freeze or did he not. Its a yes or no question.
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He didn't because AL chose to follow the recommendation of the commissioner. If Saban would have went ahead and hired him, there would be nothing Sankey could have done because he doesn't have the power to block hires.
 
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And guess what, I agree with you 100% and YOU ARE RIGHT. All I have ever said was that I considered the Commish's recommending Freeze not be hired, and Saban backing off hiring him the same as a block. Peace.
 
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I'm not a Freeze lover, I'm a UT lover. I won't be shamed into wanting the best for the program. When the writing is on the wall, you make the move. I could care less about Freeze, but he's the best option. It also helps that he would accept the job in an instant.
 
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