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They’re talking on Nashville radio that ESPN reportedly recorded the halftime speech, presumably to air during the Espys or something.

I am all for advocating for this young lady and recognizing her for this accomplishment. I hope she goes on to do great things in whatever field she chooses. If Mason did ask her to speak at halftime, and if ESPN recorded it to make it more public, I can see why players are upset. I don't think they hold it against her, but I dang sure would be ticked at whomever thought this was a good idea.
 
Our next hire should be

Danny White - UCF

That's the most important hire we can make, IMO.

For those that don't know, he's the UCF Athletic Director.
I kinda believe that the AD position, going forward, will always be filled by someone who has ties to UT. Right or wrong, that seems to be the mindset over there.
 
Reading Football Scoop's "Nuclear Winter" fan fiction, which they argue is for entertainment purposes only:

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Having missed out on Freeze, Tennessee sticks around in Appalachia and hires a guy who’s familiar with the idea of grown men walking around in coon skin caps. Tennessee hires Neal Brown.
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Snubbed by his alma mater for the final time, Tee Martin leaves Knoxville and takes over as Middle Tennessee’s head coach.

FootballScoop's Nuclear Winter VI
 
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Will this game even happen for us? And it appears this chick kicker’s halftime speech caused some rift in the football team.

Football has always been a tough guy sport. I can see where the team doesn't like the PR that this girl is generating just by showing up and kicking to a spot on the field. Hell, kickers in general, are really not considered part of the team. Peyton Manning made that clear and he was talking about a kicker in the NFL.
 
By the way, Orangebloods, which you can't always trust because they are irrational homers at times, is saying Texas officials flew up to Columbus to meet with Meyer this morning.

I don't really care about the Texas opening or who they hire, just interesting that Texas is going this far before firing Herman. We should take notes.
 
Tom Herman is not coming back at Texas. He has lost the support of every potential power base in the administration, the BMD's, and the players. The guy is supposedly a real jerk and nobody likes him. There was a controversy this summer over the players not wanting to sing The Eyes of Texas after games due to what they perceived to be racist origins of the song, and while it was a tricky situation for a coach, he managed to alienate a lot of the BMD's in the process. After the OU loss this year (the worst OU team since John Blake roamed the sidelines in the 90's), Sam Ehlinger was out on the field with his Hook 'em sign in the air standing all by himself, and Herman was lucky he didn't get fired that weekend. He was given an ultimatum to win the conference or else, and since they lost to ISU on Friday, two team captains have opted out for the rest of the season. Now there are reports of unspecified "illnesses" among players causing them to miss practice, although no confirmed positive Covid cases. He's done.

He's basically Butch Jones in 2016 - returned a ton of talent and a productive senior QB in a league that was ripe for the taking due to other programs being down. He lost to TCU for the 3rd time in 4 games, and OU for the 4th time in 5. He's also now 2-2 against Iowa State. Recruiting has flatlined since August and the #1 player for 2022, a QB people were comparing to Trevor Lawrence has decommitted. Supposedly all of the factions of BMD's are aligned on getting rid of Herman and going after Urban Meyer in a way that they haven't been in living memory. By contrast, when Mack Brown was on the way out, the Dallas donors were spearheading the charge to get Saban hired, supposedly had him on the line, but the Houston faction stepped in and screwed things up with the administration, letting Mack coach through the bowl game and Saban lost interest. Now all the power brokers are pulling in the same direction, at least until Meyer says no, at which point they will probably descend back in to factionalism with their favorite candidates.

I do think Herman would be an improvement over Pruitt, he was over Charlie Strong at Texas, but perhaps only in a way that Butch was an improvement over Dooley. He's got a system and a "culture" he wants to instill, and it pays early dividends, but as the league adjusts to it, he has no counter. He thinks he's got this infallible system, and when it doesn't work, it's the players fault for not executing properly. This cover really sums him up, and "MENSA" has become his derisive nickname.

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He plays every game close, 27 games over the last 4 years decided by one score, and Texas is 14-13 in those games. He doesn't get blown out, but other than cupcakes, he doesn't blow anyone out. So we would likely be respectable against the UGA's, Bama's and UF's of the world, but we'd also be playing down to the wire with Kentucky, Mizzou, and SC every year as well. His teams are highly penalized as well, they've gotten worse every year under him, which is probably why their games are so close against lesser opponents:

In 2017, Texas finished No. 112 nationally in penalty yards per game and 115h in total penalty yardage. The following year, the Horns ranked No. 98 in penalty yards per game, but 116th in total penalty yardage. In 2019, Texas regressed to 120th in penalty yards per game and 119th in total penalty yardage. This year, Herman’s squad ranks 70th out of 77 teams in penalty yards per game.

Texas resorting to punitive measures in effort to reduce penalties

All that having been said, barring Harrison Bailey leading us to an upset of Florida on Saturday, the program may need to make a move just to avoid total implosion, and Herman should be available by this time next week.

Gary Patterson isn't coming, they've built a statue of him outside the stadium, he's recording country music albums, and the fanbase is happy as long as they make it to the Cheezit Bowl and beat Baylor and SMU. He's retiring in Fort Worth.
 
They’re talking on Nashville radio that ESPN reportedly recorded the halftime speech, presumably to air during the Espys or something.
Vandy sucks. With that said, imagine working 10+ hours a day on your craft through a pandemic just to have some girl who kicked one ball 30 yards down field get on your ass at halftime about getting on her level.

****. I'd opt out too.
 
move always felt like Jeremy Banks should be playing DE/OLB Bc he needs to just go, no thinking or reading involved.
Banks is a better cover guy than Crouch, Crouch tackles better right now.

In fairness I think both will be much improved next year. Banks was away from football almost a year and Crouch was away for almost what 6 months due to injury?
 
Football has always been a tough guy sport. I can see where the team doesn't like the PR that this girl is generating just by showing up and kicking to a spot on the field. Hell, kickers in general, are really not considered part of the team. Peyton Manning made that clear and he was talking about a kicker in the NFL.
You know nothing about football if you think kickers are not considered part of the team. They are just like any other player, they have to prove their value and earn respect.
The problem at Vandy is no one wants a player who has been on team for three days tell everyone what to do. She earned no ones respect and her ability is subpar.
 
I copy/pasted the list...you do realize that right? So whatever was on it is directly from UT not me.

1. "Tee put guys in the NFL"
2. -insert NFL players drafted list from UT coach profile page & share link to source-
3. ????
4. profit?

I mean I'd rather let Chaney be the OC/QB coach, but I also want Friend gone with Weinke. And I was trying to reshuffle without requiring a new hire. But if Chaney takes over QBs you'd either have to keep Friend or hire a new OL coach. Still not sure I buy it as a demotion to go to QBs if you're eventual plan is to be a OC or HC...be interested in your thoughts on why it's a demotion though.
Because it’s on par with TE’s coach in importance. Many OC’s handle it themselves and I’m not aware of the fast tracking rate of landing a coordinating or HC gig out of it. If your WR’s coach sucks, your passing attack suffers more than if the QB isn’t connecting with his personal coach. Our woes this season are from our starter simply not being that good. If Friend is gone, they’re going to hire a new OL coach...his contract is up anyway.
 
Tom Herman is not coming back at Texas. He has lost the support of every potential power base in the administration, the BMD's, and the players. The guy is supposedly a real jerk and nobody likes him. There was a controversy this summer over the players not wanting to sing The Eyes of Texas after games due to what they perceived to be racist origins of the song, and while it was a tricky situation for a coach, he managed to alienate a lot of the BMD's in the process. After the OU loss this year (the worst OU team since John Blake roamed the sidelines in the 90's), Sam Ehlinger was out on the field with his Hook 'em sign in the air standing all by himself, and Herman was lucky he didn't get fired that weekend. He was given an ultimatum to win the conference or else, and since they lost to ISU on Friday, two team captains have opted out for the rest of the season. Now there are reports of unspecified "illnesses" among players causing them to miss practice, although no confirmed positive Covid cases. He's done.

He's basically Butch Jones in 2016 - returned a ton of talent and a productive senior QB in a league that was ripe for the taking due to other programs being down. He lost to TCU for the 3rd time in 4 games, and OU for the 4th time in 5. He's also now 2-2 against Iowa State. Recruiting has flatlined since August and the #1 player for 2022, a QB people were comparing to Trevor Lawrence has decommitted. Supposedly all of the factions of BMD's are aligned on getting rid of Herman and going after Urban Meyer in a way that they haven't been in living memory. By contrast, when Mack Brown was on the way out, the Dallas donors were spearheading the charge to get Saban hired, supposedly had him on the line, but the Houston faction stepped in and screwed things up with the administration, letting Mack coach through the bowl game and Saban lost interest. Now all the power brokers are pulling in the same direction, at least until Meyer says no, at which point they will probably descend back in to factionalism with their favorite candidates.

I do think Herman would be an improvement over Pruitt, he was over Charlie Strong at Texas, but perhaps only in a way that Butch was an improvement over Dooley. He's got a system and a "culture" he wants to instill, and it pays early dividends, but as the league adjusts to it, he has no counter. He thinks he's got this infallible system, and when it doesn't work, it's the players fault for not executing properly. This cover really sums him up, and "MENSA" has become his derisive nickname.

9967150.png


He plays every game close, 27 games over the last 4 years decided by one score, and Texas is 14-13 in those games. He doesn't get blown out, but other than cupcakes, he doesn't blow anyone out. So we would likely be respectable against the UGA's, Bama's and UF's of the world, but we'd also be playing down to the wire with Kentucky, Mizzou, and SC every year as well. His teams are highly penalized as well, they've gotten worse every year under him, which is probably why their games are so close against lesser opponents:

In 2017, Texas finished No. 112 nationally in penalty yards per game and 115h in total penalty yardage. The following year, the Horns ranked No. 98 in penalty yards per game, but 116th in total penalty yardage. In 2019, Texas regressed to 120th in penalty yards per game and 119th in total penalty yardage. This year, Herman’s squad ranks 70th out of 77 teams in penalty yards per game.

Texas resorting to punitive measures in effort to reduce penalties

All that having been said, barring Harrison Bailey leading us to an upset of Florida on Saturday, the program may need to make a move just to avoid total implosion, and Herman should be available by this time next week.

Gary Patterson isn't coming, they've built a statue of him outside the stadium, he's recording country music albums, and the fanbase is happy as long as they make it to the Cheezit Bowl and beat Baylor and SMU. He's retiring in Fort Worth.
Prolly a good post but TL;DR
 
By the way, Orangebloods, which you can't always trust because they are irrational homers at times, is saying Texas officials flew up to Columbus to meet with Meyer this morning.

I don't really care about the Texas opening or who they hire, just interesting that Texas is going this far before firing Herman. We should take notes.

Surlyhorns has been all over it. Flightaware season is in full throttle over there. Supposedly the plane just came back this morning with Chairman of the Board of Regents who had gone up there to meet Urban in person.

1I664 (EJA664) NetJets Aviation Flight Tracking and History - FlightAware
 
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I’m saying it’s a similar situation but worse optics Bc Scott was on the staff of a very good offense. Osovet is on the staff of the worst offense I’ve ever seen
Osovet has a history of knowing what the **** he’s talking about...always looks better.
 
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