Player Development or Regression.

[25801VOL]

Watch Harrison Bailey’s senior film, junior film, etc. any film of him passing prior to his arrival on campus. He’s now got a hitch in his delivery. Watch that kid, vs what Pruitt and his staff have changed in his throwing motion and his footwork.

Our coaches have either
1. Changed his motion and footwork to what it is now.
2. Allowed his skills to deteriorate from what he was coached to do in high school.

Defend this. Defend any development that you’ve seen in any player. Who looks better? Who looks confused and fundamentally worse.

Player development and improvement is the core responsibility of any coach, to take skills and ability they brought and make them better. Turn a 5 star into a 1st round pick, make 3 star prospect into a NFL career.

Under Pruitt we’ve taken a 5 star linebacker and in a year and a half he looks lost and confused is pass protection. Take three and four star running backs and turn them into lost and under performing linebackers that upper lever team like UK game plan around. Have 4 quarterbacks, three of which you brought here and ignore them and their development to a point where a 5th year senior and arguably develop him into the worst quarterback in Tennessee history.

 

[CA_Vol]

You ain’t wrong!

 

[landscapingvol]

Watch Harrison Bailey’s senior film, junior film, etc. any film of him passing prior to his arrival on campus. He’s now got a hitch in his delivery. Watch that kid, vs what Pruitt and his staff have changed in his throwing motion and his footwork.

Our coaches have either
1. Changed his motion and footwork to what it is now.
2. Allowed his skills to deteriorate from what he was coached to do in high school.

Defend this. Defend any development that you’ve seen in any player. Who looks better? Who looks confused and fundamentally worse.

Player development and improvement is the core responsibility of any coach, to take skills and ability they brought and make them better. Turn a 5 star into a 1st round pick, make 3 star prospect into a NFL career.

Under Pruitt we’ve taken a 5 star linebacker and in a year and a half he looks lost and confused is pass protection. Take three and four star running backs and turn them into lost and under performing linebackers that upper lever team like UK game plan around. Have 4 quarterbacks, three of which you brought here and ignore them and their development to a point where a 5th year senior and arguably develop him into the worst quarterback in Tennessee history.

You are being extremely unfair. Everyone knows that a coach needs no less than four years to implement his system, we can't judge JG and the backups for at least three more seasons. Also, Henry T can't possibly be expected to know how to defend a pass play when our corners haven't learned how to defend a slant. How can you possibly suggest that another qb be expected to grasp our playbook that is at least 6 plays deep in three years or not overthrow a receiver by 20 yards? We are on the cusp of greatness. Every successful NCAA coach looks worse in year three than he did in year one!

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Or you could look at Goff and Foles in 2016 (with Weinke - both were busts) and compare to 2017 (without - Pro Bowl and Super Bowl MVP)

Heck, compare JG's mechanics against Auburn in 2018 and in 2020 and you will see a similar trend....


I don't pretend to be a QB guru but Sean McVay is and I am forming my opinion based on his analysis...

 

[dcm3w]

Watch Harrison Bailey’s senior film, junior film, etc. any film of him passing prior to his arrival on campus. He’s now got a hitch in his delivery. Watch that kid, vs what Pruitt and his staff have changed in his throwing motion and his footwork.

Our coaches have either
1. Changed his motion and footwork to what it is now.
2. Allowed his skills to deteriorate from what he was coached to do in high school.

Defend this. Defend any development that you’ve seen in any player. Who looks better? Who looks confused and fundamentally worse.

Player development and improvement is the core responsibility of any coach, to take skills and ability they brought and make them better. Turn a 5 star into a 1st round pick, make 3 star prospect into a NFL career.

Under Pruitt we’ve taken a 5 star linebacker and in a year and a half he looks lost and confused is pass protection. Take three and four star running backs and turn them into lost and under performing linebackers that upper lever team like UK game plan around. Have 4 quarterbacks, three of which you brought here and ignore them and their development to a point where a 5th year senior and arguably develop him into the worst quarterback in Tennessee history.

One, we haven't seen Bailey enough to make that assumption. Two, HE'S A FRESHMAN, calm tf down.

If you're talking about HT then I think you're analysis is wrong. He has played well this season but obviously he is still learning. If we're talking about Crouch then it's because he's out of position and should be in our backfield.

Shrout was not good his senior year in HS throwing for over 20 INTs. Maurer only had a few good offers and his concussions derailed any momentum last year as a true Freshman.

I don't believe we have as much regression as we claim other than JG. QB is the sole reason for our losses this year. Defense is not perfect but it is in the spotlight from an abysmal offense.

 

[bpalmer28]

You are being extremely unfair. Everyone knows that a coach needs no less than four years to implement his system, we can't judge JG and the backups for at least three more seasons. Also, Henry T can't possibly be expected to know how to defend a pass play when our corners haven't learned how to defend a slant. How can you possibly suggest that another qb be expected to grasp our playbook that is at least 6 plays deep in three years or not overthrow a receiver by 20 yards? We are on the cusp of greatness. Every successful NCAA coach looks worse in year three than he did in year one!

That's a myth. Hugh Freeze is 8-1 at Liberty in year two. 2-1 vs the ACC and would be undefeated if not for a great play by NC State special teams to block a game winning FG. His QB, who I'm guessing none of you can name, is dominant. YEAR 2.

Edit: I admit to replying before reading the entire post. Had I continued reading, my sarcasm meter would have done it's job.

 

[bpalmer28]

Or you could look at Goff and Foles in 2016 (with Weinke - both were busts) and compare to 2017 (without - Pro Bowl and Super Bowl MVP)

Heck, compare JG's mechanics against Auburn in 2018 and in 2020 and you will see a similar trend....


I don't pretend to be a QB guru but Sean McVay is and I am forming my opinion based on his analysis...

Where can we read McVay's opinion of Weinke?

 

[VolBricks]

IF Bailey has a hitch in his motion it is probably because he is not completely sure of what he is seeing the defense do. Reading a defense is not as simple as the Volnation users would have you believe.

 

[CAVPUT]

You ain’t wrong!

Precisely why recruiting and transfers don't mean a damned thing. Until we get a head coach and coaching staff that can develop and game plan, all the stars in the world won't restore this program. Barnes is a perfect example.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

You're talking about a staff that routinely has to take timeouts in games because they can't get the play calls in on defense or count the number of players on the field.

Player development is an advanced course in the curriculum and should be taken in years 5 or 6.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Where can we read McVay's opinion of Weinke?

"Here's an article about Goff and McVay. I know there's a couple others. Here's a quote

The most important challenge McVay and his offensive staff (a group that includes coordinator Matt LaFleur and quarterbacks coach Greg Olson) faced upon arriving in L.A. was fixing the player whom the franchise had spent a fortune to acquire.

When McVay and Olson began working with Goff this spring, their first priority was restoring the confidence of the 22-year-old former college star. ‘We said, ‘Let’s build trust with him,’” Olson says. “That’s difficult to do in a short amount of time, but that’s one of the first things we said we wanted to establish with him. ‘What we’re telling you, what we’re trying to teach you, is solely intended to just get you better.’”

The Rams staff found that Goff was a quarterback with bad habits but not a broken psyche"

Don’t Look Now, but Jared Goff Is Starting to Figure It Out



Here's some quotes about the coaching Foles received. Foles also has a biography that goes into this in a whole lot more detail.

“Sometimes, it’s really important to have the right coach to be able to coach somebody. You look at Nick, he had his blunders that year, but comes back and becomes a Super Bowl MVP. I mean, that’s huge.

“You look at Nick. You look at Case Keenum [who opened the season as Foles’ backup]. You look at the guys who really played well after they left here, you have to think it comes down to the coaching and being able to be in the right situation to maximize your abilities.’’

 

[ftsandersvol]

IF Bailey has a hitch in his motion it is probably because he is not completely sure of what he is seeing the defense do. Reading a defense is not as simple as the Volnation users would have you believe.

Maybe I’m a simpleton, but you simply scan the field and find the open man. If you know the playbook, you have a good idea of where all your receivers should be and how deep.

 

[CAVPUT]

Maybe I’m a simpleton, but you simply scan the field and find the open man. If you know the playbook, you have a good idea of where all your receivers should be and how deep.

View attachment 327134

Alas, I have but one like to give. Absolutely great!

 

[DaddyChad]

You are being extremely unfair. Everyone knows that a coach needs no less than four years to implement his system, we can't judge JG and the backups for at least three more seasons. Also, Henry T can't possibly be expected to know how to defend a pass play when our corners haven't learned how to defend a slant. How can you possibly suggest that another qb be expected to grasp our playbook that is at least 6 plays deep in three years or not overthrow a receiver by 20 yards? We are on the cusp of greatness. Every successful NCAA coach looks worse in year three than he did in year one!

Four years? Well I’ll say my good man that’s just not enough time either. Pruitt needs at least a decade to get things right. Unfortunately after next season we will be lost in the wilderness again without the guidance of JG.

 

[25801VOL]

You are being extremely unfair. Everyone knows that a coach needs no less than four years to implement his system, we can't judge JG and the backups for at least three more seasons. Also, Henry T can't possibly be expected to know how to defend a pass play when our corners haven't learned how to defend a slant. How can you possibly suggest that another qb be expected to grasp our playbook that is at least 6 plays deep in three years or not overthrow a receiver by 20 yards? We are on the cusp of greatness. Every successful NCAA coach looks worse in year three than he did in year one!

I think 4 years to see player development or improvement is basically saying we shouldn’t expect freshmen to be great until their senior year. This is a great opinion to have back when Majors was coaching. Players typically improve the most from frosh to sophomore years, except for coach Pruitt’s team when freshman show ability and by their sophomore year they’re totally lost.

 

[Volfan76]

You are being extremely unfair. Everyone knows that a coach needs no less than four years to implement his system, we can't judge JG and the backups for at least three more seasons. Also, Henry T can't possibly be expected to know how to defend a pass play when our corners haven't learned how to defend a slant. How can you possibly suggest that another qb be expected to grasp our playbook that is at least 6 plays deep in three years or not overthrow a receiver by 20 yards? We are on the cusp of greatness. Every successful NCAA coach looks worse in year three than he did in year one!

So many coaches said hi...Freeze, Pittman, heck Kiffin even shot you a finger gun.

 

[BeardedVol]

I think 4 years to see player development or improvement is basically saying we shouldn’t expect freshmen to be great until their senior year. This is a great opinion to have back when Majors was coaching. Players typically improve the most from frosh to sophomore years, except for coach Pruitt’s team when freshman show ability and by their sophomore year they’re totally lost.

Scientific Fact: It's not until a player's junior year that they are capable of manifesting the 'wants to play' look in their eyes.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

You are being extremely unfair. Everyone knows that a coach needs no less than four years to implement his system, we can't judge JG and the backups for at least three more seasons. Also, Henry T can't possibly be expected to know how to defend a pass play when our corners haven't learned how to defend a slant. How can you possibly suggest that another qb be expected to grasp our playbook that is at least 6 plays deep in three years or not overthrow a receiver by 20 yards? We are on the cusp of greatness. Every successful NCAA coach looks worse in year three than he did in year one!

 

[Louisianavol78]

Watch Harrison Bailey’s senior film, junior film, etc. any film of him passing prior to his arrival on campus. He’s now got a hitch in his delivery. Watch that kid, vs what Pruitt and his staff have changed in his throwing motion and his footwork.

Our coaches have either
1. Changed his motion and footwork to what it is now.
2. Allowed his skills to deteriorate from what he was coached to do in high school.

Defend this. Defend any development that you’ve seen in any player. Who looks better? Who looks confused and fundamentally worse.

Player development and improvement is the core responsibility of any coach, to take skills and ability they brought and make them better. Turn a 5 star into a 1st round pick, make 3 star prospect into a NFL career.

Under Pruitt we’ve taken a 5 star linebacker and in a year and a half he looks lost and confused is pass protection. Take three and four star running backs and turn them into lost and under performing linebackers that upper lever team like UK game plan around. Have 4 quarterbacks, three of which you brought here and ignore them and their development to a point where a 5th year senior and arguably develop him into the worst quarterback in Tennessee history.

Well you would have to have Development of some kind to have regression.

 

[LittleVol]

Maybe I’m a simpleton, but you simply scan the field and find the open man. If you know the playbook, you have a good idea of where all your receivers should be and how deep.

View attachment 327134

You joking right?

What about a clean pocket?
What about a 6'7" DE jumping at the LOS?
What a reciever who gets jammed?
What about quarters defense where they fake like they are in man coverage the first 7 yards?
What about you've been hit 10 times and your arm is soar and equilibrium is rocked?

Dude...no. It's the HARDEST position for a reason

 

[Vfl2407]

Watch Harrison Bailey’s senior film, junior film, etc. any film of him passing prior to his arrival on campus. He’s now got a hitch in his delivery. Watch that kid, vs what Pruitt and his staff have changed in his throwing motion and his footwork.

Our coaches have either
1. Changed his motion and footwork to what it is now.
2. Allowed his skills to deteriorate from what he was coached to do in high school.

Defend this. Defend any development that you’ve seen in any player. Who looks better? Who looks confused and fundamentally worse.

Player development and improvement is the core responsibility of any coach, to take skills and ability they brought and make them better. Turn a 5 star into a 1st round pick, make 3 star prospect into a NFL career.

Under Pruitt we’ve taken a 5 star linebacker and in a year and a half he looks lost and confused is pass protection. Take three and four star running backs and turn them into lost and under performing linebackers that upper lever team like UK game plan around. Have 4 quarterbacks, three of which you brought here and ignore them and their development to a point where a 5th year senior and arguably develop him into the worst quarterback in Tennessee history.

This post is so sadly right on the money.
Even our kickers have regressed.
Hard to think of any position group that has improved.
maybe RB? But only Gray, really.
Three years is enuf of a trial.
any good management would know it’s time.
Its Time, as was our slogan once.
Time to clean our house from top to bottom.

 

[jp1]

Watch Harrison Bailey’s senior film, junior film, etc. any film of him passing prior to his arrival on campus. He’s now got a hitch in his delivery. Watch that kid, vs what Pruitt and his staff have changed in his throwing motion and his footwork.

Our coaches have either
1. Changed his motion and footwork to what it is now.
2. Allowed his skills to deteriorate from what he was coached to do in high school.

Defend this. Defend any development that you’ve seen in any player. Who looks better? Who looks confused and fundamentally worse.

Player development and improvement is the core responsibility of any coach, to take skills and ability they brought and make them better. Turn a 5 star into a 1st round pick, make 3 star prospect into a NFL career.

Under Pruitt we’ve taken a 5 star linebacker and in a year and a half he looks lost and confused is pass protection. Take three and four star running backs and turn them into lost and under performing linebackers that upper lever team like UK game plan around. Have 4 quarterbacks, three of which you brought here and ignore them and their development to a point where a 5th year senior and arguably develop him into the worst quarterback in Tennessee history.

My only problem with your statement is why didn't we hear these same concerns at the end of last season? You had multiple positions and players last year that had improved. Im not saying as fans we don't have reason to complain after this seasons performances, but explain and rationalize your statement in the context of how did I feel at the start of this season. Did the coaches forget how to coach?

 

[Tarkus]

My only problem with your statement is why didn't we hear these same concerns at the end of last season? You had multiple positions and players last year that had improved. Im not saying as fans we don't have reason to complain after this seasons performances, but explain and rationalize your statement in the context of how did I feel at the start of this season. Did the coaches forget how to coach?

If I'm not mistaken, we don't have the same coaches coaching the defensive line or the linebackers this year and there were complaints about the coaching on the offensive line last year.

 

[jp1]

If I'm not mistaken, we don't have the same coaches coaching the defensive line or the linebackers this year and there were complaints about the coaching on the offensive line last year.

You are correct on some changes on the defensive side of the ball. New DL coach, Felton to outside LBs, Neids moved from TE to ILB. Coordinators stayed the same. Im not arguing that as fans we don't have room to complain (or shouldnt), im just saying we are making it a little more simple and that Pruitt forgot how to coach.

 

[BeardedVol]

If I'm not mistaken, we don't have the same coaches coaching the defensive line or the linebackers this year and there were complaints about the coaching on the offensive line last year.

Last season the entire defense couldn't line up properly until game 5.