Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[Stew Cook]

It’s so sad that Dems hold Cuomo up as a good leader. All he did was go on tv every night and ignore his own actions.

Seems like those are about the only deaths that, some on here, are actually willing to attribute to COVID.

 

[kckempf]

The governor issued no law.

Section 29-A has law dealing with weddings?

Section 29-A gives the governor broad powers to enforce policies during a declared disaster. Several executive orders have been issued restricting large events, all of them with the force of Section 29-A. I've looked to see if anyone has challenged this in court and as far as I can tell nobody has.

 

[C-south]

There will be a generation of uneducated sheep that comes out of this.

It had already been happening.

 

[0nelilreb]

Seems like those are about the only deaths that, some on here, are actually willing to attribute to COVID.

Thats not true this virus is only 99% survivable for healthy people and only 94% for the compromised soooo.. of course there’s people that die from its complications .

 

[Stew Cook]

Thats not true this virus is only 99% survivable for healthy people and only 94% for the compromised soooo.. of course there’s people that die from its complications .

So, those nursing home patients may have died of "complications".. that just doesn't have the same bite.

At any rate, with those statistics, the unchecked virus would kill, what, 5 million plus?

 

[0nelilreb]

So, those nursing home patients may have died of "complications".. that just doesn't have the same bite.

At any rate, with those statistics, the unchecked virus would kill, what, 5 million plus?

99% of people under 70 survive . 94% people 70 and over . No not even in the same ball bark as 5 million . Not in this country . If those people may have died from something else besides Covid instead of with Covid .. the same will apply to every death recorded as a Covid death and not one single statistic can be believed

 

[Stew Cook]

99% of people under 70 survive . 94% people 70 and over . No not even in the same ball bark as 5 million . Not in this country .

OK, so at least 3.3 million +

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[kckempf]

Section 29-A gives the governor broad powers to enforce policies during a declared disaster. Several executive orders have been issued restricting large events, all of them with the force of Section 29-A. I've looked to see if anyone has challenged this in court and as far as I can tell nobody has.

There has been one challenge to the executive orders that reached the federal courts, BTW. This one challenged the moratorium on evictions:

Landlords Barred From Suing Over Cuomo's Eviction Moratorium, McMahon Rules | New York Law Journal

This did not challenge the force of the executive order as law. Prior law was used as precedents for establishing the jurisdiction of the case and the application of the relevant questions on constitutionality. Whether the executive order itself is a law or not, its provisions are being compared to existing legislative acts when it's challenged in court.

 

[0nelilreb]

OK, so at least 3.3 million +

2.8 million die every year in this country from something . Stats are funny . Now did he die with Covid or from Covid .. it should make a difference but we don’t seem to care . It’s like saying he died with a short pecker or from a short pecker . Context matters .

 

[hog88]

There has been one challenge to the executive orders that reached the federal courts, BTW. This one challenged the moratorium on evictions:

Landlords Barred From Suing Over Cuomo's Eviction Moratorium, McMahon Rules | New York Law Journal

This did not challenge the force of the executive order as law. Prior law was used as precedents for establishing the jurisdiction of the case and the application of the relevant questions on constitutionality. Whether the executive order itself is a law or not, its provisions are being compared to existing legislative acts when it's challenged in court.

Orders and rulings supporting these type of orders will destroy the fabric of this country.

 

[Stew Cook]

2.8 million die every year in this country from something . Stats are funny . Now did he die we Covid or from Covid .. it should make a difference but we don’t seem to care . It’s like saying he died with a short pecker or from a short pecker . Context matters .

Sounds like you are either offering bad statistics or just avoiding the subject...

At least I think we can agree that too many people with COVID simultaneously would be a disaster.

 

[McDad]

Orders and rulings supporting these type of orders will destroy the fabric of this country.

Hope that fabric isn't muslin because that's racist.

 

[LouderVol]

So my parents went and got Covid tested after my dad showed symptoms for a day. He is much better for now.

They have been tested before usually takes 3 days to get a response. This time they were told they likely wouldnt get a response until after Thanksgiving. Mom asked if it's due to crowds. Test center said they were busy but still have capacity to run tests, they just dont want people gathering for Thanksgiving. And since my parents havent been cleared the health Department is telling them to cancel Thanksgiving.

Hamiliton County.

Anybody else gotten tested in the area, or have a similar experience?

Sounds janky AF.

 

[LouderVol]

Can you please say something that is not stupid. You know that all of the people walking around without masks are not healthy. If they were, the numbers of people with the disease would not be going up, up, up. You are just being defensive, with the attitude that you are a good person, therefore you cannot have covid and infect other people with it. That dog don't hunt.

You know cases are going up up up in places/countries that wear masks fulltime and lock down right?

 

[0nelilreb]

Sounds like you are either offering bad statistics or just avoiding the subject...

At least I think we can agree that too many people with COVID simultaneously would be a disaster.

Too many people dying FROM Covid would be a disaster. This we can agree on . The other stats probably not going to agree .

 

[LouderVol]

Boy if that nerd found out what was in the Mountain Dew, trash pizza and Doritos he guzzles...

One of my coworkers used to clean the hulls of some of the barges that come into New Orleans area, including food ones. He tells us all the time about the travel conditions of those.

 

[C-south]

So my parents went and got Covid tested after my dad showed symptoms for a day. He is much better for now.

They have been tested before usually takes 3 days to get a response. This time they were told they likely wouldnt get a response until after Thanksgiving. Mom asked if it's due to crowds. Test center said they were busy but still have capacity to run tests, they just dont want people gathering for Thanksgiving. And since my parents havent been cleared the health Department is telling them to cancel Thanksgiving.

Hamiliton County.

Anybody else gotten tested in the area, or have a similar experience?

Sounds janky AF.

That sounds shady. Here (Greenville, SC) we get tests back next day most times. Not sure how they do it there but DHEC here lists every place to get tested whether it’s free or not and some have almost immediate test results.

 

[volfanhill]

Seems like those are about the only deaths that, some on here, are actually willing to attribute to COVID.

I acknowledge that there have been a couple hundred thousand Covid deaths. I also think it’s bat **** crazy to do lockdowns of any kind.

 

[LouderVol]

That sounds shady. Here (Greenville, SC) we get tests back next day most times. Not sure how they do it there but DHEC here lists every place to get tested whether it’s free or not and some have almost immediate test results.

Yeah they went to same place they have been before and gotten quick results. I think some were less than 2 days. I think it was free too.

 

[Stew Cook]

I acknowledge that there have been a couple hundred thousand Covid deaths. I also think it’s bat **** crazy to do lockdowns of any kind.

I think the word lockdown is the problem here. It gets thrown around a lot, but with the division over sensible precautions, I can see it being needed if things get way out of hand, in an certain areas. As far as liberty and such, I don't see it as being much different than a mandatory evacuation due to wildfires or hurricanes.

 

[LouderVol]

I think the word lockdown is the problem here. It gets thrown around a lot, but with the division over sensible precautions, I can see it being needed if things get way out of hand, in an certain areas. As far as liberty and such, I don't see it as being much different than a mandatory evacuation due to wildfires or hurricanes.

Except we dont evacuate in TN for a fire hot spot in California. Those are very direct locations and actions proven to help.

Lockdowns havent proven to help. And since this is a virus there is no single area effected.

 

[Stew Cook]

Except we dont evacuate in TN for a fire hot spot in California. Those are very direct locations and actions proven to help.

Lockdowns havent proven to help. And since this is a virus there is no single area effected.

Well, I don't expect much anyone to agree with me, especially in this thread.

Yet we are drawing near to a solution, and anyone claiming there is nothing we can do, in the meantime is just being a dope, IMO.

 

[LouderVol]

I think the word lockdown is the problem here. It gets thrown around a lot, but with the division over sensible precautions, I can see it being needed if things get way out of hand, in an certain areas. As far as liberty and such, I don't see it as being much different than a mandatory evacuation due to wildfires or hurricanes.

The issue in my opinion is the boy who cried wolf.

You see it time and again.

Most people (or at least more) were behind the original "flatten the curve" event for 3 weeks. Then it became a month and a half, 5 months, 2 years etc. Its apparent why it's an issue now. It's over used and not worked in the past.

You see it with the shut downs. At first it made since to cut back restaurants and some other places. But it drug on. And expanded. And now you get dumb rules not followed by the powerful.

You see it with the vaccine talk. We heard all along that we just needed a vaccine. And then it was a vaccine may not work. And now it's the vaccine works but you still have to shut down.

It doesnt end.

It's a case of give them and inch and they take a mile.

People are tired of the bs coming from those in charge.

 

[LouderVol]

Well, I don't expect much anyone to agree with me, especially in this thread.

Yet we are drawing near to a solution, and anyone claiming there is nothing we can do, in the meantime is just being a dope, IMO.

Again there is HUGE difference it what we "can" do, what we "should" do, and what we are "mandated" to do.

 

[Stew Cook]

Again there is HUGE difference it what we "can" do, what we "should" do, and what we are "mandated" to do.

I agree partially. I don't feel it too important to highlight the difference, other than my belief that an attitude of "well, I would have, if you hadn't said I had to" is self-defeating.