2020 Presidential Race

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chargervol said:
Undoubtedly I would choose no irregularities in every election, seems the 1 thing everyone agrees on.
My problem is it happening in every election and Trump telegraphing his intentions to use that so far in advance and his history of this tactic. The primaries and both general elections.

Unbelievably, members of the PA state legislature went on record all the way back in September. Admitted they were in talks with the Trump campaign about claiming widespread fraud (but only if he lost) followed by appointing the faithless electors. Trump losing the suburbs and gaining in the cities, threw a wrench in that plan.
I mean when you admit you're going to claim a crime before it even happens, and THEN start collecting evidence to support your claim..

I'm still learning how much tribalism rules politics now but it's hard to pretend that doesn't qualify as extremely suspicious. Hope we can agree on that also.
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There’s no doubt both sides were gearing up for a legal fight after the election. Hillary is now famous for advising Biden not to concede. And tribalism is definitely the rule of the day in both parties.
We had all kinds of questions before the election if Biden was going to stack the courts and pass all sorts of legislation if they got control of the senate. How are those even questions? It’s not possible to pass anything like that unless you can get 60 votes.

Unless the Democrats were planning on using the simple majority plan.......which would be tyrannical behavior......but isn’t that what they were accusing Trump of?

I’m a big fan of split government. It forces the parties to seek common ground. Something that’s been in short supply the last 20ish years.
 
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TennesseeTopHat said:
Trump will go down as the worst president of the last 100 years and it’s really weird that people defend and fight for him so vehemently
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You have nothing to support this except for a corrupt media that lies about everything in order to discredit him.

Destroyed Isis
Gave us the best economy in history
Took us out of stupid deals with Iran and the Paris nonsense
Cut job killing regulations allowing businesses to thrive in America creating millions of jobs
Made multiple peace deals in the middle east
Fastest vaccine in history

These are just some of the things he accomplished. All of which will be undone by the new administration who will immediately raise our taxes, kill those job increases, and tank the economy. Like Obama before him, all he will do is divide the country with further lies about racism etc.
 
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At some point in time, somebody needs to come up with some evidence of fraud or wrongdoing. Until then it's just a bunch of hot air. If something is wrong, we need to fix it. I haven't seen any evidence presented at all. It's time to s_ _ t or get off the pot. Right now it's just looking like a three year old rolling around on the floor pitching a temper tantrum because it's sibling took away it's sugar tit.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
You have nothing to support this except for a corrupt media that lies about everything in order to discredit him.

Destroyed Isis
Gave us the best economy in history
Took us out of stupid deals with Iran and the Paris nonsense
Cut job killing regulations allowing businesses to thrive in America creating millions of jobs
Made multiple peace deals in the middle east
Fastest vaccine in history

These are just some of the things he accomplished. All of which will be undone by the new administration who will immediately raise our taxes, kill those job increases, and tank the economy. Like Obama before him, all he will do is divide the country with further lies about racism etc.
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I'll just touch on the first one..

Kurds defeat Isis.. Trump abandons the Kurds.. Erdogan calls Kurds terrorists, Trump says "whatever, we're out of here"

My take seems at least more accurate than "Trump destroyed Isis".
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
There’s no doubt both sides were gearing up for a legal fight after the election. Hillary is now famous for advising Biden not to concede. And tribalism is definitely the rule of the day in both parties.
We had all kinds of questions before the election if Biden was going to stack the courts and pass all sorts of legislation if they got control of the senate. How are those even questions? It’s not possible to pass anything like that unless you can get 60 votes.

Unless the Democrats were planning on using the simple majority plan.......which would be tyrannical behavior......but isn’t that what they were accusing Trump of?

I’m a big fan of split government. It forces the parties to seek common ground. Something that’s been in short supply the last 20ish years.
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I believe Biden said he wasn't a fan of adding Justices, his hints were that he preferred term limits.
But I'm perfectly aware that many on the left were definitely pushing expansion.
I gave Republican strategists a lot of credit on here just a couple of days ago for successfully hanging far left statements on every Dem and the left doing a pathetic job of defending that tactic. It really was impressive from a gameplan point of view (I used to be involved in that so I can appreciate how well it was implemented).
But I can't jump on the court packing mantra given what McConnell and the Senate just pulled off between Obama/Trump.
I prefer moderate conservative Justices and Fed. judges but attained the traditional way.
I absolutely cannot be proud of what Mitch did, I'm not a "the ends justify the means" person when it comes to breaking the previously honored traditions of the republic/constitution.
 
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Stew Cook said:
I'll just touch on the first one..

Kurds defeat Isis.. Trump abandons the Kurds.. Erdogan calls Kurds terrorists, Trump says "whatever, we're out of here"

My take seems at least more accurate than "Trump destroyed Isis".
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It's easy to have a large list of accomplishments if you count things that aren't accomplishments as well as things you deserve little or no credit for, isn't it?
 
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A note about the general legal matters: I don't expect much "evidence" to be brought forth now. Nothing partisan but saw where this was in the fine print of the latest Trump fundraising email.
"Team Trump has upped the share of the money that goes to Trump's leadership PAC, Save America. Now, 75% of each contribution goes to Save America. It had been a 60% cut last week."

That would suggest he's planning to put way more money into spreading the message of fraud and paying his bills than believing his found any real legal issues, to me anyway.
 
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chargervol said:
I believe Biden said he wasn't a fan of adding Justices, his hints were that he preferred term limits.
But I'm perfectly aware that many on the left were definitely pushing expansion.
I gave Republican strategists a lot of credit on here just a couple of days ago for successfully hanging far left statements on every Dem and the left doing a pathetic job of defending that tactic. It really was impressive from a gameplan point of view (I used to be involved in that so I can appreciate how well it was implemented).
But I can't jump on the court packing mantra given what McConnell and the Senate just pulled off between Obama/Trump.
I prefer moderate conservative Justices and Fed. judges but attained the traditional way.
I absolutely cannot be proud of what Mitch did, I'm not a "the ends justify the means" person when it comes to breaking the previously honored traditions of the republic/constitution.
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let’s be clear. I’m not defending the Republicans here.
I actually cannot stand Trump. I just don’t see much difference in him and Biden.

Having said that I’m a huge fan of term limits. They should be applied everywhere. The house, the Senate, the applet courts, SCOTUS, everywhere.

But let’s start with the house and senate
 
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Stew Cook said:
I'll just touch on the first one..

Kurds defeat Isis.. Trump abandons the Kurds.. Erdogan calls Kurds terrorists, Trump says "whatever, we're out of here"

My take seems at least more accurate than "Trump destroyed Isis".
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Why did they need to be defeated? They were only the JV squad. Few people on the planet are as excited about Biden winning as ISIS is
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
let’s be clear. I’m not defending the Republicans here.
I actually cannot stand Trump. I just don’t see much difference in him and Biden.

Having said that I’m a huge fan of term limits. They should be applied everywhere. The house, the Senate, the applet courts, SCOTUS, everywhere.

But let’s start with the house and senate
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Agree 100% on the limits. I've tried to be fully transparent on Trump, generally refuse to participate in politics anymore.
But I'm completely biased because of a pre political encounter with Trump.
1st time I've voted in around 2 decades and I was one of those "suspicious ballots" that only voted on the presidential race.

Would have done it in the 1st race but
1. Didn't think he would win.
2. The dems ran Hillary.
 
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DJimgo said:
So the President who pulled the economy out of the crapper the last republican admin left it in is the worst one?

Great take, kid..

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He didn’t pull anything out of the crapper. Slowest recovery ever. Under his term he had record numbers on foodstamps and record low home ownership. Of course those are things you all like. Your boy said no way could President Trump fix the economy and then we did your boy tried to take the credit for it.
 
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GSD82 said:
You boy Barry has that title locked up until Commie Harris takes over in 2 years. As a radical leftist, which did you hate the most peace or prosperity
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Obama is by far the worst president of my lifetime. It’s not close either. He did nothing but worsen the economy and divide the country. He was awful
 
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GSD82 said:
He didn’t pull anything out of the crapper. Slowest recovery ever. Under his term he had record numbers on foodstamps and record low home ownership. Of course those are things you all like. Your boy said no way could President Trump fix the economy and then we did your boy tried to take the credit for it.
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Since the economy was already fixed according to most objective measures, this makes absolutely no sense, but please feel free to provide me any evidence of Obama saying Trump couldn't fix an already-recovered economy.
 
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