8 Vols assistants reject UT pay cut to help with losses due to covid

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hog88 said:
There is no discussion to be had. Some accepted the reductions, great and some didn't and I don't blame them. I blame the people that wrote the contracts.
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I'm sure that no one was envisioning a global pandemic when writing the contracts. Lol
 
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BalledUPfists said:
It’s a freaking pandemic!!! Geeez. It’s not like anybody planned for this or the consequences of the financial effects that it would cause. Most businesses in this country are adjusting and so are their employees. If you went in and refused to be a team player in a normal company they will cut you in a heartbeat! You guys are blowing my mind with your incompetence on this issue.
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Lol. Incompetence on this issue? They have a guaranteed payout via their contract. Do you think they care if they’re cut?
 
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BalledUPfists said:
It’s a freaking pandemic!!! Geeez. It’s not like anybody planned for this or the consequences of the financial effects that it would cause. Most businesses in this country are adjusting and so are their employees. If you went in and refused to be a team player in a normal company they will cut you in a heartbeat! You guys are blowing my mind with your incompetence on this issue.
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I have not read the assistant's contracts, but all state contracts are supposed to include language indicating that everything is subject to funding. If the revenues are down enough, the AD could probably walk away from those contracts and blame Covid.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Lol. Incompetence on this issue? They have a guaranteed payout via their contract. Do you think they care if they’re cut?
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THATS MY POINT!!!!!! They have enough and are GUARANTEED to be taken care of no matter what!!! So, why not take a small cut to help others!?!?!
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I have not read the assistant's contracts, but all state contracts are supposed to include language indicating that everything is subject to funding. If the revenues are down enough, the AD could probably walk away from those contracts and blame Covid.
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UT is not TRYING to get out of paying contracts...just asking for a little team playing together the right way. BUT...What in the world would OUR coaching staff know about a team playing together the right way!?
 
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Mrgro said:
Are any of you who are running these guys down taking a pay reduction at your job willingly? These guys have bills to pay just like you.

Edit: I'm not a fan of their coaching btw.
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If you make 6 figures and can't pay your bills after even a 50% pay cut in East TN then you ain't living right. Millionaires can't complain about paying bills.
 
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hog88 said:
Pruitt didn't take a paycut he just differed his undeserved raise so I don't blame any assistants for refusing. Hell most of them probably see the writing on the wall with their futures at UT.
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Right, they probably think JP is going to get them fired so they're stashing cash
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I have not read the assistant's contracts, but all state contracts are supposed to include language indicating that everything is subject to funding. If the revenues are down enough, the AD could probably walk away from those contracts and blame Covid.
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From Section 2.1 of the standard assistant coach contract . . .
The Base Pay is subject to the same furlough and temporary salary reduction measures that may be imposed from time-to-time by the University on its exempt employees
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BalledUPfists said:
THATS MY POINT!!!!!! They have enough and are GUARANTEED to be taken care of no matter what!!! So, why not take a small cut to help others!?!?!
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Because within 12-24 months, they might all be fired and with no income and UTAD won't cut them a check just because they need the money.
 
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At the end of the day, its distasteful to not take a "small" paycut when you make 7-figures while others in your own building are barely able to put food on the table (the concession workers, ticket sales people, field managers, etc...), but most of us have nowhere to point the fingers but at ourselves. The fact that these coaches make 7-figure salaries to coach a frickin GAME is outrageous to begin with. But thats what happens when fans are willing to pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for the entertainment.

There are very few professions where such insane buy-outs (worth more than most people will make in a lifetime) are handed out to guys like Pruitt that can barely speak english properly.

If you create a beast, don't be surprised when it acts like an animal.
 
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GAVol said:
Because within 12-24 months, they might all be fired and with no income and UTAD won't cut them a check just because they need the money.
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Come on...you know better than that. The difference is that the REASON that UT is in trouble is COVID! The REASON these COACHES would not have a check is POOR JOB PERFORMANCE. One cannot be planned for or prevented. One can. No sympathy here.
 
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Fire their collective arses - starting with Pruitt! They suck - worse than Dooley and Jones.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
Not at all. If I had to choose between someone who is selfish, not a team player, and condescending or someone who is generous, selfless, and a team player I don’t think that’s much of a choice. It’s not a matter of being gullible. Believe it or not, not everybody is cynical and selfish.

Everybody doesn’t get a trophy, I’m not a fan of the Robin Hood mentality, and I understand that there is plenty of blame and accountability to go around here. There’s negligence from our athletic department that’s been there for years. But, there’s also selfishness among these highly paid coaches to look out for themselves and exploit these kids to make millions. Some coaches see that and responded accordingly. Others did not. If you can’t see all that then you’re blind and to put it in a word you‘ll understand, gullible.
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You live in a Mickey Mouse/Donald Duck world. Good for you. You are projecting your desire for charity on these coaches, and it's irresponsible to say they are immoral for remaining committed to their fairly negotiated contract. They do not owe anyone anything, and they are not the ones that should generate charity for other employees. If the AD or school wants to do that, it is the responsibility of the AD to make that happen. You've chosen the wrong "bad guys" here and used some bad philosophies to justify it in your mind.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
A question for you 3 highly enlightened business gentlemen that act like there’s nothing to see here. Do you think it’s ethically right, and a good look, when highly paid executives takes bonuses while they’re in the middle of laying off employees because business is slow? Because that happens all the time and if you think that’s OK, you’re in the extreme minority.
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Not necessarily. Bonuses are a completely different topic from contractual compensation. However, I am fine if laying off employees for business reasons is necessary for the business model and those executives are compensated for operating that business to maximize profitability. If bonuses for operating as such are part of the negotiated compensation, then that is perfectly ethical. There is no ethical obligation to employ people you do not need. I consider it unethical to employ more people than necessary to properly operate a business. That is directly taking from shareholders and stakeholders. You are confusing ethical with charitable and generous.
 
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3 of these guys contracts are up in January, one of them is Tee. That makes his decision even more humbling.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
It’s a freaking pandemic!!! Geeez. It’s not like anybody planned for this or the consequences of the financial effects that it would cause. Most businesses in this country are adjusting and so are their employees. If you went in and refused to be a team player in a normal company they will cut you in a heartbeat! You guys are blowing my mind with your incompetence on this issue.
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There are people without contracts that can be cut to mitigate the costs of lost revenue. These 8 assistants are not business insurance policies.
 
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Most of them probably want to collect every dime possible now knowing that Pruitt will continue firing assistants as scapegoats in order to save his own hide.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
UT is not TRYING to get out of paying contracts...just asking for a little team playing together the right way. BUT...What in the world would OUR coaching staff know about a team playing together the right way!?
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They are absolutely trying to get out of paying contracts. They asked them to take pay cuts, not deferred payment.
 
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