Another perspective on the JG vs Bailey talk

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whodeycin85 said:
Its funny you use that exact phrasing to insult someone...considering numerous, OC, HC, commentators, pretty much anyone that has anything to do with college football uses that exact process for young QBs....you give them a portion of the playbook and then expand once they have shown profiency at the first portion....there're exceptions of course..DJ U from clemson...but most have a simplified playbook till they gain experience...

You think post like that set you up as someone who knows what they are talking about when in reality in exposes your lack of knowledge and experience other then tv and video games...
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DJU from Clemson May not be an exception at all. He may have been given live reps on 10 plays at a time and became proficient enough to move on to 10 more several times. Which would explain his success
 
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1vol8 said:
DJU from Clemson May not be an exception at all. He may have been given live reps on 10 plays at a time and became proficient enough to move on to 10 more several times. Which would explain his success
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Only reason I used him is a quote from Dabo about when TL was shut down...it was the Thursday before the game and he said they were polishing and didn't have time to change the gameplan
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Only reason I used him is a quote from Dabo about when TL was shut down...it was the Thursday before the game and he said they were polishing and didn't have time to change the gameplan
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Oh ok. But only being Tuesday it would be enough time to drill the plays into his head. Especially if they stayed after with him, which I’m sure happened.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Bailey hasn't practiced enough to get a grasp on the offense therefore he hasn't had the opportunity to win the job. He missed spring and missed time because of covid19. Chaney didn't recruit him but simply put the kid dosen't know what he is doing as of yet.
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Yep.!!!. And I am not sure JG does
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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Georgia recuited HB so Channey wanted him.
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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I would bet my next check that Pruitt has dictated that JG start to Chaney.

You talk about a guy not being a "Chaney" guy.... JG is a walking, talking prime example. Chaney likes confident... even cocky. He likes guys who are great decision makers. Having a quick release is basically a prerequisite. His time at UGA demonstrates he'll take a guy who delivers the ball on time and target over physical talent.

I haven't seen enough to know whether Bailey fits the mold. None of us have. I am 99.9% sure that if Chaney had had his way there would have been a "REAL" QB competition in 2019 and not a 9 month effort to build JG's confidence.... a competition that JG would likely not won. JG is almost exactly what Chaney does not like in a QB.... read Matt Simms.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
It’s the same opinion Jayson Swain carries and brings up regularly on his show, so there may be something to it. It’s not that far fetched.
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It’s far fetched. Swain subscribes to the Dormady/goddaughter Mafia marriage conspiracy...so he’s capable. 😏
 
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Eastknox865 said:
It's very difficult to learn a college playbook as a quarterback. It's not high school
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Let me retort.

1. He doesn't need to learn the whole thing.
2. He's an early enrollee. He's had time to learn a lot of it, plus he had it while he was in HS and committed.
3. JG in 5 years hasn't learned it.
4. They were capable of "simplifying" and "dumbing it down" last year for all the quarterbacks.


Take all those into consideration.

If your standard for starting is knowing the most answers on a playbook quiz. Then keep on starting the upper classmen. My standard is who is the most capable of playing the position. HB is clearly the most capable. Salter may be more capable next year, so be it. Talent and ability should be allowed to rise to the top. Not be suppressed because our coach is mimicking Saban from his start in Alabama. At this pace we've got 4 more years before he reaches the point where Nick finally changed his offensive philosophy and hired Lane.
 
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Kinglberry said:
Let me retort.

1. He doesn't need to learn the whole thing.
2. He's an early enrollee. He's had time to learn a lot of it, plus he had it while he was in HS and committed.
3. JG in 5 years hasn't learned it.
4. They were capable of "simplifying" and "dumbing it down" last year for all the quarterbacks.


Take all those into consideration.

If your standard for starting is knowing the most answers on a playbook quiz. Then keep on starting the upper classmen. My standard is who is the most capable of playing the position. HB is clearly the most capable. Salter may be more capable next year, so be it. Talent and ability should be allowed to rise to the top. Not be suppressed because our coach is mimicking Saban from his start in Alabama. At this pace we've got 4 more years before he reaches the point where Nick finally changed his offensive philosophy and hired Lane.
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You're wasting your time
 
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I might have bought Pruitt's "not ready" excuse if we weren't on a 4 game skid with 3 of the losses to bad teams that shouldn't even be competitive with us. At this point toss the kid in there and let's see what happens. Teams do that all the time with their backups against UT, and we always put them in immediate Heisman contention. Maybe it works both ways?
 
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macrovol said:
Bailey did not get a spring practice and not much of a fall camp. Once the season starts, most reps go to the starter. We're 6 games into the season and he will eventually be the starting QB. But it's not a simple transition. Peyton didn't start until midway through his freshman year, and that was only because Colquitt was hurt and Helton wanted to focus on baseball. Yes, he has had the play book for a while now, but you can't learn to ride a bicycle by reading about it.

As far as the staff not having another QB ready, QBs are recruited way in advance. There were no highly rated QBs available when Pruitt took over. Maurer and Shrout were projects, and they have both had their moments, but are not the ultimate answer. So the staff has been relegated to playing JG, who has talent but decision making in critical situations is lacking. The "leap" on Saturday which had no chance of making a first down 9 yards away which resulted in a concussion is just the latest example. Love his heart, but QB requires not panicking as well.

Problem is, when JG (or any QB) starts imploding, it effects the whole team. Football is an emotional game. Our OL can be devastating in the run game against a standard defense, but when they begin to stack the box and dare us to throw, there must be another solution. We don't have a consistent enough passing game to get them out of it. The drained emotion then carries over to the defense. Once things start going bad, it snowballs.

Vols are improved everywhere except QB. When Bailey or Salter get up to speed, this will be a different team. Pruitt has upgraded the talent almost everywhere. Get behind him.
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There are only 4 games left. If u dnt play him now u have wasted a learning experience he cant get at practice. He aint learning to ride a bike. He didnt just start playing football yesterday. Live reps at practice aint the same as the game. At 2-4 he needs to learn on the job. Im 1000% certain they have seen him throw every route in the route tree so they should be able to game plan around his strengths. U got 2 weeks to put together the plays he is comfortable with for that particular game. U dnt throw the entire playbook at him.
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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UGA did recruit Bailey when Chaney was at UGA, Bailey just wasn't interested in UGA. That's made up UGA stuff because Bailey never showed them any interest from the time he was offered his FR year.
 
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butchna said:
This isn’t a different “perspective”. This is a whole hearted subscription to UGA fan fiction. UGA offered Bailey and that with a loaded QB room. Chaney has never been and never will be a RECRUITER. This time last year, UGA was trying to flip Bailey and if Chaney was so dismissive of him then that would have been accomplished. We’re like a women’s hair salon when you get one yenta started. 🙄
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Yep, UGA fans had all kinds of rumors floating around right before signing day that Bailey was flipping there. They wanted him, he didn't want them.
 
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1vol8 said:
So instead of hitting them with the entire playbook at once, would it not be smart to ease them in by choosing 10 pass plays a week to learn and drill those 10 in as a game plan? By season end, seems said qb would know 120 pass plays like the back of his hand, the terminology and understand where his check downs are on any given play WITHIN those 120. By bowl season the OC has a wide open playbook he can use at his disposal with a freshman qb. In my world that’s called development but what do I know?
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Bailey knows the playbook.
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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EXACTLY
 
#75
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JG wasnt recruited by Chaney either... Stupid OP..... Our head coach isn't ready to be a HC... He is having issues internally cause he cant manage a team.... Let's get to the core... He sucks
 
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