Another perspective on the JG vs Bailey talk

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Eastknox865 said:
It's very difficult to learn a college playbook as a quarterback. It's not high school
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So instead of hitting them with the entire playbook at once, would it not be smart to ease them in by choosing 10 pass plays a week to learn and drill those 10 in as a game plan? By season end, seems said qb would know 120 pass plays like the back of his hand, the terminology and understand where his check downs are on any given play WITHIN those 120. By bowl season the OC has a wide open playbook he can use at his disposal with a freshman qb. In my world that’s called development but what do I know?
 
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Chaney is not passing on Bailey because he doesn’t like him, I know that for a fact. The truth is that Bailey, while having all the talent, is just not ready. We have got to stop pretending that Covid-19 isn’t one of the main contributing factors. Having no spring reps and missing a lot of summer practice killed HB’s chances of a big freshman year. Look around the country...there are just not that many true freshman starting right now for the same reasons. I am not a JG excuse maker. I can’t stand watching him play. That being said, with limited players in summer, there just weren’t enough QB reps to go around which helped JG cement his spot again. I think it is time to hit that eject button and lose all games letting other QB’s audition, but I trust what I hear from practice that HB has a ways to go to be successful in a whole game.
 
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This isn’t a different “perspective”. This is a whole hearted subscription to UGA fan fiction. UGA offered Bailey and that with a loaded QB room. Chaney has never been and never will be a RECRUITER. This time last year, UGA was trying to flip Bailey and if Chaney was so dismissive of him then that would have been accomplished. We’re like a women’s hair salon when you get one yenta started. 🙄
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Bailey hasn't practiced enough to get a grasp on the offense therefore he hasn't had the opportunity to win the job. He missed spring and missed time because of covid19. Chaney didn't recruit him but simply put THE KID DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING AS OF YET.
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We talkin bout JG or Bailey?😁
GBO!!
 
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1vol8 said:
So instead of hitting them with the entire playbook at once, would it not be smart to ease them in by choosing 10 pass plays a week to learn and drill those 10 in as a game plan? By season end, seems said qb would know 120 pass plays like the back of his hand, the terminology and understand where his check downs are on any given play WITHIN those 120. By bowl season the OC has a wide open playbook he can use at his disposal with a freshman qb. In my world that’s called development but what do I know?
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Duh, obviously they worked the whole check down to the RB, thing with Bailey, last week.
GBO!!
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Bailey hasn't practiced enough to get a grasp on the offense therefore he hasn't had the opportunity to win the job. He missed spring and missed time because of covid19. Chaney didn't recruit him but simply put the kid dosen't know what he is doing as of yet.
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Neither does JG
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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Yeah - this is not correct. There is little that I know - other than the buck stops with the CEO or in this case the head coach. It is ultimately the head coaches call and everyone's job is riding on getting it right. I think that the assumption was that JG would be as servicable as he was last year, the defense would be a little better, and we would squeak by with some close wins again.

Unfortunatly, JG was worse than expected, our defense was worse than expected, the competition was better than expected and so here we are. It all starts on offense with qb play. JG is not an SEC level qb. We need to play the others to see if they are or are not and either bring in a transfer or plan on starting a Freshman next season. It is one giant cluster at this point.
 
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Longshank said:
Being a florida guy, I really like what the gators do. Task could be throwing great but will get pulled for a play or sometimes a series. Tennessee should at least do that from here on out. I thought Bailey brought something the other players liked. Somewhere JG got wired to take the check down way more then he should and that contributes to the lack of big plays and way to many 3rd downs. Bailey looked like he will sling it. He was forced to sling it wild because it was the 4th quarter down by 2 scores. I'd like to see the kid get a chance earlier to see his decision making.
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Yeah, he slings it to the RB.
 
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DonDiego said:
Your Opinion=pure conjecture
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And so is everyone saying it's Pruitt holding Chaney back. The OP makes a good case actually, though none of us really are that deep inside the program to know.

Ultimately it is on Pruitt as the HC, but what the OP says may well be a factor. I tend to blame Smart for losing Fields though. Look at Uga's QB situation this year, it's a mess. Chaney is not there anymore, but Smart is.
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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Chaney likes Knoxville. Pruitt, Fulmer, Chaney, mirror one another philosopically. We simply don't have a decent passing game with JG at the helm. I'm also in the minority that feels that Pruitt doesn't interfere much in the offense. He himself said, "it doesn't make much sense to throw a ball 25 yds. just to pick up 5 and run the risk," referring to JG's 1st pick-six vs. UK. So he's not calling the game or over-riding many calls, imo. I do think it's time for him to intervene, immediately ! I can't pin-point the exact problem but JG simply isn't the answer. Before long it's gonna be a case of UT fans wanting all 3 dey azzes gone if one of them don't display some common sense.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Yeah - this is not correct. There is little that I know - other than the buck stops with the CEO or in this case the head coach. It is ultimately the head coaches call and everyone's job is riding on getting it right. I think that the assumption was that JG would be as servicable as he was last year, the defense would be a little better, and we would squeak by with some close wins again.

Unfortunatly, JG was worse than expected, our defense was worse than expected, the competition was better than expected and so here we are. It all starts on offense with qb play. JG is not an SEC level qb. We need to play the others to see if they are or are not and either bring in a transfer or plan on starting a Freshman next season. It is one giant cluster at this point.
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Sometimes a cluster resembles a snowball rolling down a hill. I'd accept a close loss just to get HB some live reps.
 
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ChiefTKE said:
Chaney is not passing on Bailey because he doesn’t like him, I know that for a fact. The truth is that Bailey, while having all the talent, is just not ready. We have got to stop pretending that Covid-19 isn’t one of the main contributing factors. Having no spring reps and missing a lot of summer practice killed HB’s chances of a big freshman year. Look around the country...there are just not that many true freshman starting right now for the same reasons. I am not a JG excuse maker. I can’t stand watching him play. That being said, with limited players in summer, there just weren’t enough QB reps to go around which helped JG cement his spot again. I think it is time to hit that eject button and lose all games letting other QB’s audition, but I trust what I hear from practice that HB has a ways to go to be successful in a whole game.
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Pruitt has stated that he would not "throw Bailey to the wolves". He said that's what happened to JG and he wouldn't do that to his young QB.
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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JG is Pruitt's guy period, end of story and it has been Pruitt's call, not Chaney's. However it is true that Chaney isn't a fan of Bailey, but hey, Chaney was no fan of Justin Fields who is in Heisman race --- so there's that.
 
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patrick said:
JG is Pruitt's guy period, end of story and it has been Pruitt's call, not Chaney's. However it is true that Chaney isn't a fan of Bailey, but hey, Chaney was no fan of Justin Fields who is in Heisman race --- so there's that.
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Wasn't Fields the #1 qb prospect in the country when he signed with UGa? If Chaney didn't like him, who does Chaney like? I always thought that Kirby was the reason that Fromm was the starter - that he dictated that Fromm would be the starter before Fields even showed up.
 
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bluetick10 said:
Bailey is not a Chaney guy. When Chaney was at UGA he did not recruit Bailey and when he left to come to UT he inherited his commitment. Generally Chaney is a one QB OC. He sees the QB he wants to run his offense and he spends his time prepping him. Look at his time at UGA. He had 5 star Eason leading his offense as a freshman. When he got hurt, another true freshman, Fromm took over and Eason never got the job back when he got healthy. Eason transfers. The next year, Justin Fields came to UGA. Chaney game him no shot at meaningful playing time, probably because Fromm proved to be pretty good the previous year and was clearly the starter. Fields leaves UGA for OSU and may very well win the Heisman this year. Chaney leaves for UT for the most money he has ever made in coaching and UGA doesn't counteroffer. Here, not only did he inherit a Bailey commitment and eventual signee, but also a QB with some experience, JG. He has had a year working with JG and evidently is more comfortable with him than any other QB. I know many think Pruitt is standing in the way of Bailey taking the reigns. I submit Pruitt is going with what his OC feels comfortable with regarding his Qb. Pruitt is a defensive guy who is paying Chaney a boat load of money to just be the OC. I think Chaney calls the shots at QB. Bailey may never get any more that token duty while JG is here. We will see about next year. Unless the heat really gets to Pruitt. Just my opinion.
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Before writing this long paragraph did you forget that Chaney (since you say he makes these calls) did give Maurer start last year and then gave Shrout a chance last year ? Maurer got chance before JG was hurt and kept it until he hurt himself. Shrout started next before JG came back in.

The QB decisions at UT are baffling, yes but to assume Chaney is what you said he is false just based on last year's data.
 
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1vol8 said:
So instead of hitting them with the entire playbook at once, would it not be smart to ease them in by choosing 10 pass plays a week to learn and drill those 10 in as a game plan? By season end, seems said qb would know 120 pass plays like the back of his hand, the terminology and understand where his check downs are on any given play WITHIN those 120. By bowl season the OC has a wide open playbook he can use at his disposal with a freshman qb. In my world that’s called development but what do I know?
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Obviously you don't really understand how college football works but it's ok
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Obviously you don't really understand how college football works but it's ok
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Its funny you use that exact phrasing to insult someone...considering numerous, OC, HC, commentators, pretty much anyone that has anything to do with college football uses that exact process for young QBs....you give them a portion of the playbook and then expand once they have shown profiency at the first portion....there're exceptions of course..DJ U from clemson...but most have a simplified playbook till they gain experience...

You think post like that set you up as someone who knows what they are talking about when in reality in exposes your lack of knowledge and experience other then tv and video games...
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
It’s the same opinion Jayson Swain carries and brings up regularly on his show, so there may be something to it. It’s not that far fetched.
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I was going to bring that up myself but thought it was best to leave it alone.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Its funny you use that exact phrasing to insult someone...considering numerous, OC, HC, commentators, pretty much anyone that has anything to do with college football uses that exact process for young QBs....you give them a portion of the playbook and then expand once they have shown profiency at the first portion....there're exceptions of course..DJ U from clemson...but most have a simplified playbook till they gain experience...

You think post like that set you up as someone who knows what they are talking about when in reality in exposes your lack of knowledge and experience other then tv and video games...
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I didn't insult anyone, argue with the teams kicking our ass if you want to argue not me
 
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