A fun “Here’s how much we suck” thing to think about....

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BigOrangeMojo said:
Agree that talent wins in the end but there were a lot of fallacies to get to that point.

1. Hugh Freeze does not have ACC level talent at Liberty but is 2-0 against ACC teams this year.

2. Freeze and Ole Miss had nothing resembling Bama's talent. Even Ole Miss's greatest recruiting class (they only had 1) was ranked behind Bamas

3. We dont have lower tier talent. There's not much of a gap (if any) between our talent, UF, A&M, Auburn. The big difference is development and coaching where we are FAR behind those guys.

4. How many years in a row have our recruiting classes beat Arky and UK? Both teams beat us down.
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Actually, I read an article the other day comparing player ratings as recruits throughout all SEC rosters, and it turns out there is a fairly good sized gap between our ratings and all three teams you named. I'm not saying this as an excuse, because we're much better than most of the teams besides your three, plus Ga, Ala, and LSU, and we certainly ranked higher than Arky and Ky, but there is a gap between us and the three you mention.
 
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DonDiego said:
Actually, I read an article the other day comparing player ratings as recruits throughout all SEC rosters, and it turns out there is a fairly good sized gap between our ratings and all three teams you named. I'm not saying this as an excuse, because we're much better than most of the teams besides your three, plus Ga, Ala, and LSU, and we certainly ranked higher than Arky and Ky, but there is a gap between us and the three you mention.
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When Mullen and Pruitt both took over their programs in 2017, Tennessee actually had a higher average star rating (only by something like 2 or 3 basis points) of the players currently on the roster. At the time Pruitt took over, the only East team that we clearly were less talented than was Georgia.

I'm sure Florida is more talented today, and we play Alabama every year and are obviously less talented than them. There are only 3 teams that we play every year that are more talented than us on paper...Florida, Georgia, and Alabama. "Lack of talent" explains why we can't beat those schools, but it doesn't explain not being able to consistently beat Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Mizzou. It doesn't explain losing to Georgia St and BYU.
 
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DonDiego said:
Actually, I read an article the other day comparing player ratings as recruits throughout all SEC rosters, and it turns out there is a fairly good sized gap between our ratings and all three teams you named. I'm not saying this as an excuse, because we're much better than most of the teams besides your three, plus Ga, Ala, and LSU, and we certainly ranked higher than Arky and Ky, but there is a gap between us and the three you mention.
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Agree, there is a difference between us and the 3 teams I referenced. If you were to divide the SEC team talent into 4 tiers' I'd say Bama, LSU, and UGA are in Tier 1. We are in Tier 2 (at the bottom of this tier) with UF, Auburn, and A&M.

In 2019, the 24/7 average for those 3 teams was 277.6. Ours was 269.1. The next closest team was 241. The average for UK and Arky was 220. We did add a 4* and 5* transfer not included in those rankings.

In 2020, the 24/7 average for those 3 teams was 279. Ours was 261. The next closest team was in the 240s. The average for UK and Arky was 220. We did add a 4* and 5* transfer not included in those rankings.
 
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tnutater said:
Proves my theory that superior talent wins most of the time over inferior talent.
Coaches never take a snap or make a tackle.
If you don't have the best horses in your stable, you ain't winning many races.
Does not matter who the jockey is.
With our lower tier SEC talent, we will win some and lose some against the other bottom level conference teams but will be blown out most of the time against the top teams.
That is where the program is and where it will remain until we buy better horses.

Hugh Freeze is not a coaching savant. He could not ride the mules in our barn to a major victory.
He beat Saban twice with players on equal talent level with Alabama that the Ole Miss boosters bought for him to take to the races.

How many would put money on Freeze's undefeated powerhouse Liberty team to have a better record than our Vols against the schedule we have played? I suspect they would not have a win.
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Hugh Freeze just beat Virginia Tech with Liberty so... what point are you trying to make
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Agree that talent wins in the end but there were a lot of fallacies to get to that point.

1. Hugh Freeze does not have ACC level talent at Liberty but is 2-0 against ACC teams this year.

2. Freeze and Ole Miss had nothing resembling Bama's talent. Even Ole Miss's greatest recruiting class (they only had 1) was ranked behind Bamas

3. We dont have lower tier talent. There's not much of a gap (if any) between our talent, UF, A&M, Auburn. The big difference is development and coaching where we are FAR behind those guys.

4. How many years in a row have our recruiting classes beat Arky and UK? Both teams beat us down.
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I’m glad you posted this, I had the exact same thoughts in my head, but was too lazy to type it out.
GBO!!
 
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99gator said:
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There should be another one made with him talking to Dave Hart. He didn't help us by continuing to give Butch contract extensions & raises. I knew the minute I heard of his arrival he would destroy this program and he did. His first at bat he got rid of the Lady Vols! No writing on the wall there..duh! He should have never been let in but we have a man named Raja to thank for that.
 
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tnutater said:
Proves my theory that superior talent wins most of the time over inferior talent.
Coaches never take a snap or make a tackle.
If you don't have the best horses in your stable, you ain't winning many races.
Does not matter who the jockey is.
With our lower tier SEC talent, we will win some and lose some against the other bottom level conference teams but will be blown out most of the time against the top teams.
That is where the program is and where it will remain until we buy better horses.

Hugh Freeze is not a coaching savant. He could not ride the mules in our barn to a major victory.
He beat Saban twice with players on equal talent level with Alabama that the Ole Miss boosters bought for him to take to the races.

How many would put money on Freeze's undefeated powerhouse Liberty team to have a better record than our Vols against the schedule we have played? I suspect they would not have a win.
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Most of the time, except for TN. No way TN roster is inferior to that of Ark and KY, nor to some of the teams, they have lost to in the past. You are making very broad assumptions with no real supporting evidence to your argument. Talent needs development and scheme like in almost every other sport.
 
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Special Ed said:
Could Jeremy be a Saban saboteur?
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I don’t think so. I believe Pruitt is doing his best. There’s not a college coach out there that doesn’t want to be successful, make millions, and be known as one of the best. Pruitt is no different other than he’s not a good head coach and nor does it appear he has a smidgen of the goods to become a good head coach.
 
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EODVOL said:
Most of the time, except for TN. No way TN roster is inferior to that of Ark and KY, nor to some of the teams, they have lost to in the past. You are making very broad assumptions with no real supporting evidence to your argument. Talent needs development and scheme like in almost every other sport.
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Another way to look at is that talent evaluation only matters on game day.
What stars or smiley faces a child might have gotten for high school play means diddley on a college game day. Our assistant coaches cannot be that bad at development or scheme.
Kentucky kicked our a$$, Missouri did not win on a fluke.
How can you you say we had better talent other than trying to justify the losses?
Ga St last year should have been grounds to fire the whole bunch and start over.
Fans are seeing now that not doing that was a mistake. It would have saved the Athletic Department the raise and two year contract extension that idiot Fulmer rewarded Pruitt for the loss. It might have brought us a couple years closer to being competitive with the next coach.
As it now stands, we are screwed for the foreseeable future. It is the Tennessee way.
 
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VolRage said:
I don’t think so. I believe Pruitt is doing his best. There’s not a college coach out there that doesn’t want to be successful, make millions, and be known as one of the best. Pruitt is no different other than he’s not a good head coach and nor does it appear he has a smidgen of the goods to become a good head coach.
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Butch did his best the first 3 and 1/2 years. Then he quit trying.
Dooley never did try, just laughed his way to the bank.
At some point Pruitt will have had enough and ride out his contract here or as an intern at Alabama.
 
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tnutater said:
Proves my theory that superior talent wins most of the time over inferior talent.
Coaches never take a snap or make a tackle.
If you don't have the best horses in your stable, you ain't winning many races.
Does not matter who the jockey is.
With our lower tier SEC talent, we will win some and lose some against the other bottom level conference teams but will be blown out most of the time against the top teams.
That is where the program is and where it will remain until we buy better horses.

Hugh Freeze is not a coaching savant. He could not ride the mules in our barn to a major victory.
He beat Saban twice with players on equal talent level with Alabama that the Ole Miss boosters bought for him to take to the races.

How many would put money on Freeze's undefeated powerhouse Liberty team to have a better record than our Vols against the schedule we have played? I suspect they would not have a win.
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Maybe not, but coaching and getting players in the right spot is essential to a teams success. I've been a part of teams that had a ton of talent and have a losing record. That same team, minus a few players, rocked the next year with a different OC.

The problem for UT is, they have talented guys, but they haven't been developed or coaches up and it shows. This year it seems like the team literally does not care what happens on the field and thats on coaching.

At this point, Libertys team may not have a better record than UT. I would, however, bet that Liberty beats UT head to head as of right now.
 
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jeff1vol said:
NEVER. EVER. Let a Gump run a UT program. Said it from DAY 1! That bald bastard does not give ONE **** about this program and its OBVIOUS. Hate to be the one that told yall so.
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UT hired a coach who spent his college career getting decimated by UT. Then they let him bring in his buddies who experienced the same thing. While I genuinely think most people have the "its business its not personal" attitude, this guy is from Bama so is basically a medium functioning window licker who most likely has held a grudge his entire adult life.
 
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