2020 Presidential Race

[Orange_Crush]

How many here are neo-Darwinian evolutionists? That theory projects observable, small adaptations as proof that they have accumulated over time and space to produce all of species' we observe today. (By definition, "macro" evolution hasn't been observed, and can't. But the evidence for "micro" changes is used as proof for "macro".)

Yet, we seem to be told that, despite proofs of election fraud on a more micro level, it's inconceivable that there was actual, macro-level election fraud perpetrated at a level that could have altered this election.

For instance, the Dominion software. It has been proven to have effected tight counties in tight races. Multiple battleground states have confirmed that they used the software--with GA adding to the suspicion with late-night "updates" that "never happen". So, we have proof of this "glitch" that turned tight races from blue to red, always in the same direction.

We have proof of "micro-evolution" here. Explain why it's inconceivable that it projects to "macro". Tell us why we're crazy for wanting it investigated and believing it's possible.

Thanks in advance.

 

[NCFisher]

Military wife accused in GOP voter fraud claim speaks out

donald is grasping at straws.

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Oh please; is there any evidence that she personally has been accused of fraud? I’d wager that’s a big no. She’s a military wife and a former ACLU lawyer who has apparently taken the opportunity to make this personal and to exercise some misplaced indignation.

 

[MarcoVol]

How many here are neo-Darwinian evolutionists? That theory projects observable, small adaptations as proof that they have accumulated over time and space to produce all of species' we observe today. (By definition, "macro" evolution hasn't been observed, and can't. But the evidence for "micro" changes is used as proof for "macro".)

Yet, we seem to be told that, despite proofs of election fraud on a more micro level, it's inconceivable that there was actual, macro-level election fraud perpetrated at a level that could have altered this election.

For instance, the Dominion software. It has been proven to have effected tight counties in tight races. Multiple battleground states have confirmed that they used the software--with GA adding to the suspicion with late-night "updates" that "never happen". So, we have proof of this "glitch" that turned tight races from blue to red, always in the same direction.

We have proof of "micro-evolution" here. Explain why it's inconceivable that it projects to "macro". Tell us why we're crazy for wanting it investigated and believing it's possible.

Thanks in advance.

My opinion is that, sure, it COULD happen.

But there has been zero evidence of widespread fraud.

Also if it’s just a case of wanting to investigate, someone needs to take away Trump’s twitter and not allow him to speak. He tried to claim states during the election - that’s not how it works. He is constantly tweeting the he won. Even now.

If the goal was simply to investigate, and not spread misinformation and undermine our election process, then Trump wouldn’t be saying these things.

 

[OHvol40]

My opinion is that, sure, it COULD happen.

But there has been zero evidence of widespread fraud.

Also if it’s just a case of wanting to investigate, someone needs to take away Trump’s twitter and not allow him to speak. He tried to claim states during the election - that’s not how it works. He is constantly tweeting the he won. Even now.

If the goal was simply to investigate, and not spread misinformation and undermine our election process, then Trump wouldn’t be saying these things.

I’m no lawyer, but it has to be making it more difficult for Trump’s lawyers when he’s constantly tweeting unproven claims. I imagine them getting updates on his daily tweets and pulling their hair out.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You tell your evidence before court or in court?

Why do all the dems expect him to show his hand?

All the moaning and character assassination aside, Trump has a history of making claims that come true.

For instance, the Biden claims per Ukraine. He was impeached over it and held his tongue. Well sunuvab*tch... The laptop, photos, videos and emails dropped.

It won't surprise me to find out Trump is telling the truth, but we won't know until his most opportune timing. (I am completely open to being wrong on that.)

 

[Orange_Crush]

My opinion is that, sure, it COULD happen.

But there has been zero evidence of widespread fraud.

Also if it’s just a case of wanting to investigate, someone needs to take away Trump’s twitter and not allow him to speak. He tried to claim states during the election - that’s not how it works. He is constantly tweeting the he won. Even now.

If the goal was simply to investigate, and not spread misinformation and undermine our election process, then Trump wouldn’t be saying these things.

Not sure you read the post.

Sure, just as soon as Biden stops making acceptance speeches and calling foreign dignitaries as the self-proclaimed (media) Prez-elect.

Sounds like you're a hypocrite that likes a favorbale narrative for your agenda, but wants to suppress narratives that would harm that. You're a helluva guy.

 

[RikidyBones]

You mean kids were tortured without parents or lawyers present and coerced into saying yes to what the cops fabricated?

I mean what I said. Interrogations sometimes result in false conclusions.

 

[NCFisher]

Military wife accused in GOP voter fraud claim speaks out

donald is grasping at straws.

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Oh please; is there any evidence that she personally has been accused of fraud? I’d wager that’s a big no. She’s a military wife and a former ACLU lawyer who has apparently taken the opportunity to make this personal and to exercise some misplaced indignation.

I read that NC had been called for Trump. Anyone seen that?

Also heard claims that enough Dominion "glitch switches" have been found in PA and other states to turn them for Trump. Anyone else hearing this?

Yes.

No, but two PA counties – Antrim and Oakland - have had ‘glitches’ assigning Republican votes to Democrats and then back again, flipping two or more races back to Republicans.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Oh please; is there any evidence that she personally has been accused of fraud? I’d wager that’s a big no. She’s a military wife and a former ACLU lawyer who has apparently taken the opportunity to make this personal and to exercise some misplaced indignation.

Yes.

No, but two counties – Antrim and Oakland -have had ‘glitches’ assigning Republican votes to Democrats and then back again, flipping two or more races back to Republicans.

Even if she was "accused" of fraud, that's enough? Biden's been accused of selling his office to China, and these same folks are arguing to protect his presidency. :/

 

[Carl Pickens]

Look at the list of fecal idiots Biden is considering for cabinet positions:
Who will Biden's Cabinet picks be? Here are some leading contenders

 

[MarcoVol]

Not sure you read the post.

Sure, just as soon as Biden stops making acceptance speeches and calling foreign dignitaries as the self-proclaimed (media) Prez-elect.

Sounds like you're a hypocrite that likes a favorbale narrative for your agenda, but wants to suppress narratives that would harm that. You're a helluva guy.

I didn’t respond line by line to your post - my apologies. I was responding to the question you posed:

Explain why it's inconceivable that it projects to "macro". Tell us why we're crazy for wanting it investigated and believing it's possible.

That’s how questions work. You pose one and someone else answers.

And you see no difference in claiming you won a state when votes are still being counted vs giving an acceptance speech when literal math tells you the opponent can’t overcome the difference?

 

[NCFisher]

Wow imagine thinking MSNBC and the Epoch Times were comparable

The Epoch Times has been as right about the false Russia collusion narrative as the MSM has been wrong, in other words •mostly* and overwhelmingly so. Especially MSNBC, NYT, CNN et al.
Epoch has a store of goodwill cached.

 

[hog88]

But they are not the same.

You are right, the right to vote and the right to bear arms are not the same. The constitution specifically says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed while in both amendments where voting is mentioned it gives the states the power to decide who is eligible to vote. So you got 1 thing right in your argument.

 

[OldVolMan]

As answered twice already. It goes to how important you view each issue. And you overlooked the word Eligible. And then started your straw man.
Which is typical of the disingenuous

You are just p...ing up a rope trying to have a reasonable intelligent open minded discussion here.

 

[NCFisher]

Even if she was "accused" of fraud, that's enough? Biden's been accused of selling his office to China, and these same folks are arguing to protect his presidency. :/

You mock them.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

You tell your evidence before court or in court?

Why do all the dems expect him to show his hand?

It’s been going to court you dunce. And the court has been throwing them out just as quick.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I didn’t respond line by line to your post - my apologies. I was responding to the question you posed:

Explain why it's inconceivable that it projects to "macro". Tell us why we're crazy for wanting it investigated and believing it's possible.

That’s how questions work. You pose one and someone else answers.

And you see no difference in claiming you won a state when votes are still being counted vs giving an acceptance speech when literal math tells you the opponent can’t overcome the difference?

You ignored the entire point of the post, as my color coding indicated.

lol

I see no difference between calling a race one way or another when the results are still not certified. The results are not certified, and actually in contest. You want Biden to accept and prematurely act as the president-elect. You want Trump censored. Again, you're a helluva guy.

And again, you seem to have missed my entire point.

I'm all for all parties--including the media--just saying, "Please be patient. This isn't settled. It'll need to go through the process. We knew it'd be an ordeal when we found it necessary to encourage so many mail-in ballots, but we want to get this right because it's really important that you get the president you corporately elected. Please bear with us."

That's much less dangerous than Biden and the media accepting the presidency that the system hasn't given him, at a time when half the country is up in arms because the entire election smells so damn fishy. And it's much less dangerous than convincing half the country that they got the President they wanted, only to have the other guy actually get a second term.

We've created guaranteed social unrest, no matter how this turns out. It's dangerous, stupid and unnecessary. (And I'm not convinced it's accidental, by the way.)

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Post Office Whistleblower to Washington Post: I Did Not Recant My Statement About Ballot Tampering

How did the post run with that story? Who verified he recanted? I’m just confused by the entire process with Mr. Hopkins.

 

[MarcoVol]

You ignored the entire point of the post, as my color coding indicated.

lol

I see no difference between calling a race one way or another when the results are still not certified. The results are not certified, and actually in contest. You want Biden to accept and prematurely act as the president-elect. You want Trump censored. Again, you're a helluva guy.

And again, you seem to have missed my entire point.

I'm all for all parties--including the media--just saying, "Please be patient. This isn't settled. It'll need to go through the process. We knew it'd be an ordeal when we found it necessary to encourage so many mail-in ballots, but we want to get this right because it's really important that you get the president you corporately elected. Please bear with us."

That's much less dangerous than Biden and the media accepting the presidency that the system hasn't given him, at a time when half the country is up in arms because the entire election smells so damn fishy. And it's much less dangerous than convincing half the country that they got the President they wanted, only to have the other guy actually get a second term.

We've created guaranteed social unrest, no matter how this turns out. It's dangerous, stupid and unnecessary. (And I'm not convinced it's accidental, by the way.)

It’s not - it’s been fabricated and designed this way by the person sitting in the Oval Office......well I mean the person who is likely preparing to hit his approach shot into the 4th green of whatever golf course he is visiting today.

And thanks, you’re a helluva guy too.

 

[VolnJC]

RIP Blue Dog Democrats
Pelosi floats above Democrats’ civil war

 

[Orange_Crush]

It’s not - it’s been fabricated and designed this way by the person sitting in the Oval Office......well I mean the person who is likely preparing to hit his approach shot into the 4th green of whatever golf course he is visiting today.

And thanks, you’re a helluva guy too.

So, you've admitted that the election is still not certified and is contested. You've admitted there's proof of fraud. You've admitted that it's possible that that fraud could have been extensive enough to change the election. You've offered nothing more than personal incredulity against widespread fraud. And you offer personal incredulity and empty predictions as the reason you want your guy announcing and acting as the president elect while censoring the POTUS on the subject.

Gotcha.

 

[BenGrimm]

I doubt there has ever been a opportunity for fraud like this election. Let me provide some ball park numbers regarding mail in votes this election compared to 2016. I looked this up over the weekend and can not verify the accuracy at this time. They are just ball park estimates.

2016 election. President votes cast = 129m est.
mail in ballots 25% or 32m est.

2020 election. President votes cast = 148m est
Mail in ballots 50% or 74m est.

An increase of 42m est or 230% in mail in votes.

I believe there is opportunity for election fraud and believe a significant amount did. It may or may not make a difference in thr winner but it certainly deserves all the attention and review necessary to insure that we have the true outcome.
Trump is up to 72m which is 3 to 4 million more than Obama’s record in 2008. Biden is around 76m which is about 7m than Obama’s previous record total.
Biden stayed in his basement the whole year until the last month. He would have a couple of hundred cars show up for his rallies. Trump was bringing in up to 56k for recent rallies. Obama stumped for Biden a couple of weeks ago and 30 people showed up. The enthusiasm variance was astounding and even the liberal networks were commenting about the lack of enthusiasm for candidate Biden. Enthusiasm for a candidate usually demonstrates or translates into votes or election turnout.

See where I’m heading with this. Something is rotten with this election and it’s not Trump.

Just because you believe there is fraud in no way means there is. So far the only real evidence that has led to arrests has been a couple of Trumpers that attempted to vote twice. Attempted but did not get counted.

As has been asked multiple times, why go through the trouble of this massive cross state fraud scheme and sacrifice control of the Senate and House seats? If you believed the polls going in Trump was done but the down ballots were close. If you were going to steal one and leave the other to chance wouldn’t it be the Senate over the President?

Regarding mail ballots, every state has a system in place to verify if they are legal or not. The only difference is the influx slowed down the counting process. Trump sowed the seeds of mistrust from the outset just so he could scream about fraud when he lost. Had he won or the mail in ballots favored him (like in AZ where they have cut his deficit dramatically) he wouldn’t be saying anything.

Who cares about rally size? Especially in a pandemic LOL. Those most likely hurt Trump with swing voters who saw them as irresponsible. I will agree that enthusiasm FOR Biden may not have been as strong as the enthusiasm AGAINST Trump. While Trumpers were lining up truck parades Anti-Trumpers were were lining up for early voting and filling out absentee. Did you not see the celebrations all across the world on Sat?

Yes there was unparalleled turnout this election and both candidates surpassed previous highs. That’s a good thing that people were engaged enough to vote. However, it was still just around 60% of eligible voters.

End of the day Trump got out the vote. Both for and against him. A lot of right leaning folks don’t like him and felt Biden was a safe pick for four years as they voted red down ballot.

I have no problem with recounts or looking into credible fraud claims. They won’t overturn the results or even reveal a systemic fraud operation. Most likely all it will uncover is a handful of individuals who attempted to vote twice or send in a dead relative’s ballot (that was caught and not counted). This will probably end up being split on both sides.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Trump is the first president ever elected by the electoral college to have lost the popular vote twice.

And the relevance of that is?

 

[MarcoVol]

So, you've admitted that the election is still not certified and is contested. You've admitted there's proof of fraud. You've admitted that it's possible that that fraud could have been extensive enough to change the election. You've offered nothing more than personal incredulity against widespread fraud. And you offer personal incredulity and empty predictions as the reason you want your guy announcing and acting as the president elect while censoring the POTUS on the subject.

Gotcha.

There are individual instances of fraud in every election. I should note that so far the only arrest for fraud in this election was a Trump voter who requested a ballot for his deceased mother in Pennsylvania.

And while I said widespread fraud COULD happen, damn man, anything COULD happen. The Vols COULD win a National Championship, that doesn’t mean that the likelihood of it happening is based in reality.

I’ve said this many times in various posts - Trump falsely claiming he won (when the votes say otherwise) and claiming widespread fraud (of which he has shown ZERO evidence) only amplifies the stupid and the conspiracies in this country. Stupid and conspiracies are both a problem already, with a freaking Q believer being voted into congress. That sure seems dangerous..

But I’m a helluva guy - just as you said. So instead of calling this whole thing moronic and pathetic, I choose instead to say “sure, it could happen”. But just to clarify, I mean that in the same sense as “sure, I could play for the Detroit Pistons”.

From one helluva guy to another, I hope that clears up my stance.

 

[Orange_Crush]

There are individual instances of fraud in every election. I should note that so far the only arrest for fraud in this election was a Trump voter who requested a ballot for his deceased mother in Pennsylvania.

And while I said widespread fraud COULD happen, damn man, anything COULD happen. The Vols COULD win a National Championship, that doesn’t mean that the likelihood of it happening is based in reality.

I’ve said this many times in various posts - Trump falsely claiming he won (when the votes say otherwise) and claiming widespread fraud (of which he has shown ZERO evidence) only amplifies the stupid and the conspiracies in this country. Stupid and conspiracies are both a problem already, with a freaking Q believer being voted into congress. That sure seems dangerous..

But I’m a helluva guy - just as you said. So instead of calling this whole thing moronic and pathetic, I choose instead to say “sure, it could happen”. But just to clarify, I mean that in the same sense as “sure, I could play for the Detroit Pistons”.

From one helluva guy to another, I hope that clears up my stance.

So, you've admitted that the election is still not certified and is contested. You've admitted there's proof of fraud. You've admitted that it's possible that that fraud could have been extensive enough to change the election. You've offered nothing more than personal incredulity against widespread fraud. And you offer personal incredulity and empty predictions as the reason you want your guy announcing and acting as the president elect while censoring the POTUS on the subject.

Gotcha.

All that to agree with me? (You do know what "personal incredulity" is, right?)