Pruitt CAN be fired, buyout not a problem

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74charger said:
He’d probably go back to Hoover and get paid $100K leaving us on the hook for the rest. PF should be in Freeze’s office right now refusing to leave until the deal is done. Instead, he’s probably in his own office watching old VHS tapes of how good we used to be thinking cornbread is going to take us to the promised land.
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Cornbread would probably take over botch jones spot as nickie's personal assistant (analyst) for $35,000 until the buyout money ran dry. Would be tennessee luck.
 
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Pruitt isn't going anywhere any time soon barring a complete further disaster next season which isn't out of the realm of possibilities. UT isn't going to buy out another failed head coach after three seasons. They begrudgingly bought out Dooley after three losing seasons in a row. Some of you need to come to terms with the fact that unless we luck into a great hire as a coordinator, we aren't going to legitimately pursue a great coach. The greatest coaches in UT history were in house hires.
 
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Guys, I think we are stuck. Money is a problem no matter how much we wish it wasn’t. Besides, a new coach would be the 6th in 12 years. That is not a good situation to walk into. I propose we stop giving contract extensions for a start. We tell Pruitt that we will not be renewing his current 4 year contract unless he starts showing results. We start grooming someone to take his place. At the end of this contract we will owe Pruitt nothing, owe Butch nothing and can spend the type of money serious programs are spending.
BTW, no one has to make his four years pleasant. Fulmer could take over the team for all I care and we can make Pruitt the d-line coach or something simple that he can actually handle.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
His buyout is 60% of his remaining total compensation, paid out per year through January 2026. So let's do the math here. If he were fired after 2020, that would be his $4.2 million average salary x 5 years = $21 million. Now, he only gets 60% of that, so UT would owe him $12.6 million over five years. Good chance that he sits out for a year, So that's a $2.5 million check for year one. IF he takes a DC job after that for $1 million or so, that's only $4 million off of the bill, which may take some money off, but it's not "quite a bit."

BUT one more thing: Tennessee State law requires state agencies to set aside 100% of a contractual employee's owed buyout at the time of termination. So the UTAD has to come up with every penny of the $12.6 million within 30 days of termination and deposit it in the state fund that then distributes the payments. Any offset is returned later at the time the payment to the fired employee. So offset money is nice on the back end, but it does nothing to soften the blow at the time of the firing.
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I posted the link for the contract earlier. There is no offset if he is fired WITHOUT CAUSE....best case for UT is JP violates ANY of the terms FOR CAUSE on pages 7-12!
 
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beachvol23 said:
I posted the link for the contract earlier. There is no offset if he is fired WITHOUT CAUSE....best case for UT is JP violates ANY of the terms FOR CAUSE on pages 7-12!
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People can’t seem to grasp the concept that there is no offset in his contract. Pruitt could get hired for $10 million a year and it would make no difference to the buyout.
 
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beachvol23 said:
I posted the link for the contract earlier. There is no offset if he is fired WITHOUT CAUSE....best case for UT is JP violates ANY of the terms FOR CAUSE on pages 7-12!
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I understand what the version that is out there says. But after the extension, there is some room to negotiate on the offset, just trust me on that.

Regardless, the point of what I posted is still true, the financial cost of making a change, offset or not, is far too steep for it to happen this year.
 
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I cant stand anything about Pruitt, but we cant afford to fire him. Covid has meant lost money and his contract runs 5 more years , with the raise Fulmer stupidly gave him. What about the assistants ? It is just too muchmoney , plus Fulmer doesnt like to admit to mistakes. We are stuck with this fool for at least 1 more year. He deserves to be fired - no question. This team is gutless , no spirit , no fight.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I understand what the version that is out there says. But after the extension, there is some room to negotiate on the offset, just trust me on that.

Regardless, the point of what I posted is still true, the financial cost of making a change, offset or not, is far too steep for it to happen this year.
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If the contract is already signed, how would we have any leverage over Pruitt to negotiate on it? Couldn’t he just say no and there is nothing we can do about it?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Because he’s viewed as tainted by the decision makers. If we had not done the kiffen thing then maybe but unless there’s a real change at that level we will not be hiring freeze.
We Looked at him as a coordinator recently. The idea wasn’t well received by the university. I can’t believe they would suddenly think he could be the head guy.
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Very tainted, but likely going to be hired in the SEC soon. Campbell at Iowa State should have been considered over Pruitt. Now you have Fickell. It’s not like there aren’t options. Pruitt is a disaster
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
We can't attract a top tier coach. Something stinks somewhere we can't immediately see. Boosters, administration, AD, whatever, some of them , all of them... That and our timing is horrible. We wait until no real coaches are available, let three use us to negotiate raises, and end up with the next "up and comer." So somewhere up the chain we have an issue. So would we go after someone like freeze that can actually coach with his baggage? Hell no, we wouldn't. Wish we would, but no. So who leaves their day job to moonlight as a real coach here?
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We have a bigger problem that I hate to admit. But Tennessee Football is frankly an also ran in CFB. Not a single recruit even knows of a TN Football team that has come close to contending for a national title. Us fans tend to live in the glory days of the 1980s or 90s. About the time most recruits parents were either not adults or maybe not born!

We do have a resilient fanbase that can support the right staff in a big way. But, we're going to have to have an overachiever take the reigns here to get it done.
 
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livefaith said:
We have a bigger problem that I hate to admit. But Tennessee Football is frankly an also ran in CFB. Not a single recruit even knows of a TN Football team that has come close to contending for a national title. Us fans tend to live in the glory days of the 1980s or 90s. About the time most recruits parents were either not adults or maybe not born!

We do have a resilient fanbase that can support the right staff in a big way. But, we're going to have to have an overachiever take the reigns here to get it done.
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Also true, but money and resources do talk. Unless those same things come without some crazy bs admin and boosters.
 
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TikiVol said:
So depressing. Look where the Aggies are in year 3, UF in year 3...now look at us. This is Willie Taggert at FSU bad. Time to cut our losses on Pruitt. I see nothing that tells me he can turn this corner; it’s getting worse, not better.
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Like MSU, Ole Miss, and Arky did when the coaches they hired about the same time as Pruitt weren’t cutting it.
 
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Contrary to what many “well known” posters say I’m hearing the complete opposite about Pruitt and that Freeze has let it be known he’s interested in coaching here should there be an opening.

I’m not getting into all the source questioning BS I’m just trying to tell you all is it lost.
 
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CR-vol said:
Are you kidding me? Yeah they have plenty of money to throw around. Why the **** else would some idiot sign Pruitt to an extension before he proved anything in season 3 and give him a raise when no other team was trying to steal him from us? LOL and it pains me to say that, honestly, because I'm a Winchester, TN native.
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The raise was modest and the boosters certainly aren't paying for it. It just comes out of the AD revenue, which is something like $120 million a year, but almost all of it gets spent.

The issue with a buyout is that opposed to a modest raise you have to have two HCs and their respective staffs on salary for a while. Paying off Pruitt and his well paid staff is about $9 million a year. No one is going to "throw around" money like that.
 
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I want to know who in this administration doesn’t care about winning. Literally, every problem we “thought” was the problem is gone and been replaced.

New president - Boyd wants FB to succeed
Plowman - Not a yes woman but is more football friendly than anyone in the decade.
Fulmer - Wants football to succeed

So, who is left that continues to be a problem? We don’t have this problem in ANY other sport. I don’t want hear “it’s this certain booster or that certain booster.” Everyone with knowledge says “administration” doesn’t want to win. Who the hell is left that carries that big of a stick to say, yea we’re just going to suck.
 
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IF it helps, Pruitt is only the 11th highest paid coach in the SEC.

Maybe we are getting what we paid for???
 
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I keep seeing people blaming Fulmer. Fulmer isn’t the problem here and that extension while questionable timing came after last years winning streak which we all hoped might continue and lead into a turnaround but we all got fooled there.

as for a buyout extension or not if the big pocket boosters want Pruitt gone it’ll be taken care of. They are more in control than Fulmer in some way
 
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UTK said:
We are THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE. Find the damn money from somewhere. Shouldnt be rocket science.
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No it is really easy.... YOU should step up and start a go fund me account to collect money that will only be paid out if UT fires coach by a date certain. YOU should make the first and very public donation to the fund. An alternate use should be defined if he is not fired, maybe stadium improvement or other...... Let's find out the level of conviction for those making bold pronouncements about money is no object.

Man up, gather your like minded friends and make up the shortfall in the year of Covid.... Money talks.... lack of it does also.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
If you want to be Florida, Georgia, Bama ect you have to demand a level of success.
I’ve said that Mullin at Florida will find a way to lose a game or two a year he shouldn’t and it will keep him from winning championships. If I’m right Florida will fire him and get someone else. They have a championship standard there. We do not.
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Lol, Mullen is going NOWHERE anytime soon
 
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Thanks to those who posted his contract. So, if that's the case, then we are looking at about a 12 million buyout over four or five years? UT has a few billionaire boosters...so the math would be we need about 2-3 million per year for four or five years? 3,000,000 / 1,000,000,000 = .003 %

And that's if they are only at 1 billion. The buyout is no problem. This will come down to pride/arrogance/infighting, etc. I hope they make the right move. Coaching is coaching, right now we are undisciplined, unprepared, and unmotivated. You can accomplish all three of those things with 2 stars if you are a good coach. Doesn't mean you'll win, but you'll at least look like you know what you're doing.
 
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