It’s a QB game

#51
#51
BeardedVol said:
Which would have been understandable, and still clear signs of progress.

That's the problem with the argument of "it's Georgia, it's Alabama", continued blowout losses, to good teams are an indication of a lack of progress, and throw in a blowout loss at home to a team like Kentucky, and you really have to start entertaining the thought, that Pruitt is on the same path as Dooley and Butch.
Click to expand...
I feel ya. Although, Butch, nor Dooley, ever recruited SEC o-linemen, they did manage to find and develop QB's to get them over the hump, so to speak. When Dobbs graduated, Butch went to hell. Dooley couldn't win an SEC game, with a QB.
As far as UGA, Bama and Florida........those haven't even been competitive, under Pruitt. But, maybe, only Vol fans expected them to be competitive. I know I did.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BeardedVol
#52
#52
BeardedVol said:
Which would have been understandable, and still clear signs of progress.

That's the problem with the argument of "it's Georgia, it's Alabama", continued blowout losses, to good teams are an indication of a lack of progress, and throw in a blowout loss at home to a team like Kentucky, and you really have to start entertaining the thought, that Pruitt is on the same path as Dooley and Butch.
Click to expand...
That "team like Kentucky" held Georgia to two touchdowns.
 
  • Like
Reactions: VOLINVONORE and kbear01
#53
#53
1967vol said:
That "team like Kentucky" held Georgia to two touchdowns.
Click to expand...
Amazing what happen when you don’t turn the ball over. UT has given up 4 defensive TD in the past 3 games. Plus gave up points on 3 other turnovers. We simply aren’t good enough to overcome that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kbear01
#55
#55
UGA ran the ball 85% of the time....They knew when they got up KY wasn't going to score on them.
 
#56
#56
"Not sure if you haven't realized it yet, but Georgia's offense is not good. "

Not sure you realize it yet, but Kentucky's defense is really good.
 
#58
#58
1967vol said:
"Not sure if you haven't realized it yet, but Georgia's offense is not good. "

Not sure you realize it yet, but Kentucky's defense is really good.
Click to expand...

If your idea of "really good" is 30th in total defense, then sure.
 
#59
#59
BeardedVol said:
If your idea of "really good" is 30th in total defense, then sure.
Click to expand...
30th in a list of how many total? Yeah, I know, but Ohio State is 37th and San Diego State is #1 in your list. And TN is not even on your list of the top 50.
 
Last edited:
#60
#60
BigOrangeMojo said:
Let's say you are in your 20s and you are going to the bar. You are getting no action. You keep wearing the same outfit. You dont wash it, you dont iron it, or protect it from the elements. You have other outfits in the closet (a highly thought of outfit) but you keep wearing the same outfit. Other guys are wearing cheaper made clothes but they iron them, clean them, and match it with other pieces. They are getting action.

So whose fault is it with your lack of action: You or your outfits?
Click to expand...
You assume that the QB coach determines who plays. He doesn't. Unless Pruitt is unlike most other HC's then Chaney doesn't make that call either. The QB position is so important and so much a reflection of the HC's philosophy and strategy that they almost always reserve that call to themselves.

So to correct your analogy... you have a garment that is two sizes too small and you're blaming the laundry because they can't make it look good on you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1vol8
#61
#61
sjt18 said:
You assume that the QB coach determines who plays. He doesn't. Unless Pruitt is unlike most other HC's then Chaney doesn't make that call either. The QB position is so important and so much a reflection of the HC's philosophy and strategy that they almost always reserve that call to themselves.

So to correct your analogy... you have a garment that is two sizes too small and you're blaming the laundry because they can't make it look good on you.
Click to expand...

To continue on your revised analogy..

Why do you keep wearing the same garment over and over? If I wanted to fit into a smaller garment, I wouldnt hire Rosie O'Donnell as my fitness instructor and if I wanted to develop a QB, I wouldn't want Chris Weinke to do that.
 
#62
#62
1967vol said:
That "team like Kentucky" held Georgia to two touchdowns.
Click to expand...
UGA's offense isn't prolific by any stretch of the definition. They looked prolific against a worn out UT defense, that had given up on life. UGA had 20 pts off of turnovers on us, and UK had 24, I think.
 
#63
#63
Sarms58 said:
Yep. He is one of those 4 star failures who just didn’t have all the skills needed to play in the SEC. I’m sure he was really good in HS - as was JJ Peterson and a host of other kids who get to college and just can’t handle the speed and complexity of the college game.

Now that Bailey has had about 8 weeks of practice I hope he gets into the game early and plays Like we all hope he will. If he can come in early in the second quarter and lead the team them JG will be the backup going forward.
Click to expand...
I'm not sold on HB. I haven't seen him play enough and his lack of mobility is a concern. Part of JG's problem is that he doesn't move well in the pocket or extend plays. Even for a guy with a great arm and decision making, the modern game favors guys who have at least average mobility.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Big Al Orange and lifeVol
#64
#64
BigOrangeMojo said:
To continue on your revised analogy..

Why do you keep wearing the same garment over and over? If I wanted to fit into a smaller garment, I wouldnt hire Rosie O'Donnell as my fitness instructor and if I wanted to develop a QB, I wouldn't want Chris Weinke to do that.
Click to expand...
Unless you know something more than us... you have no basis for blaming Weinke. You are blaming Weinke for JG. I am 99.999999999% sure that Weinke isn't making the call to start or play JG. His job is to get Pruitt's choice of QB ready to play to the very best of his ability.

I guess you can have an unreasonable baseless bias. Or again, maybe you have insider information that Weinke is a terrible coach that none of the rest of us have. But if I gambled, I'd be willing to bet that Weinke and Chaney would have chosen someone other than JG a long time ago if Pruitt had permitted it or left it up to them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Raebo and 1vol8
#65
#65
sjt18 said:
Unless you know something more than us... you have no basis for blaming Weinke. You are blaming Weinke for JG. I am 99.999999999% sure that Weinke isn't making the call to start or play JG. His job is to get Pruitt's choice of QB ready to play to the very best of his ability.

I guess you can have an unreasonable baseless bias. Or again, maybe you have insider information that Weinke is a terrible coach that none of the rest of us have. But if I gambled, I'd be willing to bet that Weinke and Chaney would have chosen someone other than JG a long time ago if Pruitt had permitted it or left it up to them.
Click to expand...
One thing people need to remember before blaming Cheney or Weinke is that JG has had 3 different coordinators for a reason. The common denominator with the OC changes has been JG all along. Now here we sit with a PROVEN OC and we’re calling for his head because JG isn’t performing yet again. It’s like getting divorced for your third time....... at some point you gotta realize that maybe the problem isn’t them. It’s in the mirror.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Big Al Orange and sjt18
#67
#67
BeardedVol said:
Not sure if you haven't realized it yet, but Georgia's offense is not good.
Click to expand...
KY's defense is pretty good. they stop the run very well. Ga's offense was good enough to score a few pints on Alabama, but like us not nearly enough. We just gave the ball away too many times against KY, GA, and Bama. Our offense can not keep the defense off the field and the defense has nor been able to get off the field. Different problem on each side of the ball and most of it is turn overs on offense and no turn overs caused be the defense. Mix that with running the ball 80% of the time on 3rd and long and we do score many points. By the time the second half arrives, we have learned how to give the ball away on the first drive which makes it almost impossible to get back in the game.

I am looking for some changers in personnel and play calling the last half of the season to get us back in the win column 4 more times. Man we need to fill a lot of holes with our true Freshmen and sign another highly ranked class for 2021. We will be OK and much better if we get
to have Spring and Fall practices next year.
 
#68
#68
sjt18 said:
I'm not sold on HB. I haven't seen him play enough and his lack of mobility is a concern. Part of JG's problem is that he doesn't move well in the pocket or extend plays. Even for a guy with a great arm and decision making, the modern game favors guys who have at least average mobility.
Click to expand...
So, you haven't seen him play enough but you are concerned about his lack of mobility! Very strange, even perplexing, statement coming from you. So how have you concluded he has a lack of mobility?
 
#70
#70
1967vol said:
So, you haven't seen him play enough but you are concerned about his lack of mobility! Very strange, even perplexing, statement coming from you. So how have you concluded he has a lack of mobility?
Click to expand...
One of the things that recruiting evaluations can measure with pretty good accuracy is a guy's ability to run. I thought that was more or less a "known". Here's 247's description of his mobility: " Doesn't provide a run threat and needs to keep improving his mobility and feet in order to be able to evade the rush."

I remember reading that he had a 5.0 40 at some point. Do you have different information?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Sarms58 and Big Al Orange
#73
#73
VOLINVONORE said:
KY's defense is pretty good. they stop the run very well. Ga's offense was good enough to score a few pints on Alabama, but like us not nearly enough. We just gave the ball away too many times against KY, GA, and Bama. Our offense can not keep the defense off the field and the defense has nor been able to get off the field. Different problem on each side of the ball and most of it is turn overs on offense and no turn overs caused be the defense. Mix that with running the ball 80% of the time on 3rd and long and we do score many points. By the time the second half arrives, we have learned how to give the ball away on the first drive which makes it almost impossible to get back in the game.

I am looking for some changers in personnel and play calling the last half of the season to get us back in the win column 4 more times. Man we need to fill a lot of holes with our true Freshmen and sign another highly ranked class for 2021. We will be OK and much better if we get
to have Spring and Fall practices next year.
Click to expand...

This is the one perfect storm year, where Alabama has a "meh" defense, Georgia has a "meh to bad" offense, and Kentucky has an "ah ok" defense and "lol" offense.

Auburn threw for 233 yards on KY, Ole Miss threw for 320, Missouri managed 201, Georgia threw for 131, and we went for 112. So yeah their defense is decent at stopping the run, but the only teams who couldn't throw on them were us and Georgia, two teams hampered by bad QB play. The only difference is that the rest of GA's offense is still pretty good. Goes to show how much QB play impacts offensive production.
 
  • Like
Reactions: VolFreakJosh, Big Al Orange, lifeVol and 2 others
#74
#74
sjt18 said:
I'm just going off the information from his recruitment. No one since has suggested he's gotten more mobile.

UT did ask him to change his workout and diet to lose weight.
Click to expand...
And he went from 225 to 211. Now he’s back up to 225 or so again. Not sure what weight he ran the 5.0 at though.
 
#75
#75
sjt18 said:
I'm just going off the information from his recruitment. No one since has suggested he's gotten more mobile.

UT did ask him to change his workout and diet to lose weight.
Click to expand...
How mobile was Peyton Manning? Isn't HB more of that type of QB?
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement



Back
Top