WRs don't get any separation

#28
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BleedinOrange98 said:
I can't be the only one who noticed this.. It's not all on JG. The only receiver getting any separation is Hyatt. Not even Palmer is able to get much separation without a push off. If we don't have a laser accurate QB (which he isn't) then it's going to be a constant struggle to make completions. Either WRs don't get open or the line doesn't give him time. I don't think it matters who we put back there. I think this team has fatal flaws that are being exposed and no amount of coaching is going to fix that.

Then of course on the rare occasions that they do get open, JG completely misses the mark like 30% of the time or makes some stupid read to a check down or stares down the receiver all the way. No coach can with win these traits in the SEC. The QB lacks intangibles (like look-offs), the WRs lack speed and the line lacks toughness. None of these can really be coached.

Good news is defensive speed is better but still a little lacking in secondary. Also no premier pass rusher hurts a lot (this is on Pruitt).
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The playbook is restricted and predictable. If the playbook is opened up you may see some of the receivers getting separation.
 
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BleedinOrange98 said:
I can't be the only one who noticed this.. It's not all on JG. The only receiver getting any separation is Hyatt. Not even Palmer is able to get much separation without a push off. If we don't have a laser accurate QB (which he isn't) then it's going to be a constant struggle to make completions. Either WRs don't get open or the line doesn't give him time. I don't think it matters who we put back there. I think this team has fatal flaws that are being exposed and no amount of coaching is going to fix that.
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He isn't on time. He has never demonstrated the ability to instinctively anticipate throws or to throw guys open. He is a half count late virtually every time he throws to a moving receiver. There are very, very rare exceptions... but not enough for an opposing DC to worry about.

To your point. if a ball needs to be thrown just as a receiver starts his break and is actually thrown when the receiver comes out of his break... the defender has time to recover. The WR would have had "separation" if the ball were on time. Same is true of most deep throws. Guys have a step and have to come back and fight for the ball because JG is late or short on the throw.

The WR's have issues. They don't have a ton of experience. But they are limited by what JG cannot do.

You are simply wrong about the OL. He's a statue. He has no pocket awareness. He doesn't move in the pocket to help his OL's with angles. He does not threaten the deep middle to keep D's from blitzing. He doesn't hit hot reads to punish D's for blitzing. On several occasions this year, he has failed to account for rushers. He seldom breaks the pocket. I have never seen him break the pocket, keep his eyes up, and find a receiver working a broken field.

The problem with JG isn't what he can do. He does some things well. He does those things decently consistent by and large. The problem with JG is the things he cannot do. Those inabilities limit the O and make scheming a game plan difficult... it makes UT's O predictable and easy to defend. This isn't a new problem. UT's O has not been difficult to defend since JG stepped on the field.
 
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When you are at the game, watch the receivers instead of the ball for a few plays, they get separation. But the ball is late or behind them, both of which cause them to have to slow down or they are open but completely ignored by JG who is dumping it off in the flat for a 2 yard gain on 3rd and 8.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
When you are at the game, watch the receivers instead of the ball for a few plays, they get separation. But the ball is late or behind them, both of which cause them to have to slow down or they are open but completely ignored by JG who is dumping it off in the flat for a 2 yard gain on 3rd and 8.
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On offense, skill position wise, the RB’s. That’s it. We don’t have a guy that can take the top off the D, not that I have seen, no Willie Gault, no Cedric Wilson and against man to man like Bama, forget about it. Of course that means the line has to be able to block and the back has to protect and the QB has to make the read and get the ball there. Lots of blame to go around.

I just don’t see at WR somebody that makes ya go wow! Glimpses every now and again, but Nobody makes me wanna go out and buy a jersey, ya know?
 
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vol66 said:
On offense, skill position wise, the RB’s. That’s it. We don’t have a guy that can take the top off the D, not that I have seen, no Willie Gault, no Cedric Wilson and against man to man like Bama, forget about it. Of course that means the line has to be able to block and the back has to protect and the QB has to make the read and get the ball there. Lots of blame to go around.

I just don’t see at WR somebody that makes ya go wow! Glimpses every now and again, but Nobody makes me wanna go out and buy a jersey, ya know?
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When you don't have a quarterback capable of consistency delivering balls to receivers in decent positions it makes things very hard. JG had plenty of time vs Alabama but only managed 13 competitions. He can throw a very good ball but it only happens 1 out of every 10 throws.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
When you don't have a quarterback capable of consistency delivering balls to receivers in decent positions it makes things very hard. JG had plenty of time vs Alabama but only managed 13 competitions. He can throw a very good ball but it only happens 1 out of every 10 throws.
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I don’t disagree, obviously the QB has to be able to make the throw...It all has to work together, absolutely but...when things don’t go as planned, I just haven’t seen much of that at WR. I am not yelling throw it to X, generally I am yelling Run The Ball.
 
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vol66 said:
I don’t disagree, obviously the QB has to be able to make the throw...It all has to work together, absolutely but...when things don’t go as planned, I just haven’t seen much of that at WR. I am not yelling throw it to X, generally I am yelling Run The Ball.
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In the case of our offense lately, calling to throw it at all is a gamble.
 
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I once would like to see a sluggo route (slant to go route). Every corner we play is jumping the slant on 3rd and 5-7....If JG is going to stare down his primary receiver then mix it up...It takes away some of the danger of throwing into the middle and might at least draw a defensive holding penalty. I’m tired of seeing the DB and WR meeting at the ball...
 
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VolArmy74 said:
In the case of our offense lately, calling to throw it at all is a gamble.
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Yep. I mean... I am sorry to say it...every time we drop back to pass, I hold my breath...it’s awful, as a fan, to WANT them to play not to lose...I wanna see them attack the field, maul the D line, see the other team be pressured into a blown coverage.

You know like it used to be 30, 40 years ago...😢
 
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BleedinOrange98 said:
I can't be the only one who noticed this.. It's not all on JG. The only receiver getting any separation is Hyatt. Not even Palmer is able to get much separation without a push off. If we don't have a laser accurate QB (which he isn't) then it's going to be a constant struggle to make completions. Either WRs don't get open or the line doesn't give him time. I don't think it matters who we put back there. I think this team has fatal flaws that are being exposed and no amount of coaching is going to fix that.

Then of course on the rare occasions that they do get open, JG completely misses the mark like 30% of the time or makes some stupid read to a check down or stares down the receiver all the way. No coach can with win these traits in the SEC. The QB lacks intangibles (like look-offs), the WRs lack speed and the line lacks toughness. None of these can really be coached.

Good news is defensive speed is better but still a little lacking in secondary. Also no premier pass rusher hurts a lot (this is on Pruitt).
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We don't seem to have many "playmakers" on the offensive side. I was skeptical of him because of his size but J Hyatt has shown signs of being a playmaker. No Dee Beckwith has been disappointing to me, curious to see how he matches up. We need a power back in the worst way.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
We don't seem to have many "playmakers" on the offensive side. I was skeptical of him because of his size but J Hyatt has shown signs of being a playmaker. No Dee Beckwith has been disappointing to me, curious to see how he matches up. We need a power back in the worst way.
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UT does not have a QB who can consistently get them the ball on time and target. When they do... then we'll know whether these guys are playmakers or not.
 
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no reason to get separation when all he's going to do is hand the ball off and run up the middle
 
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sjt18 said:
He isn't on time. He has never demonstrated the ability to instinctively anticipate throws or to throw guys open. He is a half count late virtually every time he throws to a moving receiver. There are very, very rare exceptions... but not enough for an opposing DC to worry about.

To your point. if a ball needs to be thrown just as a receiver starts his break and is actually thrown when the receiver comes out of his break... the defender has time to recover. The WR would have had "separation" if the ball were on time. Same is true of most deep throws. Guys have a step and have to come back and fight for the ball because JG is late or short on the throw.

The WR's have issues. They don't have a ton of experience. But they are limited by what JG cannot do.

You are simply wrong about the OL. He's a statue. He has no pocket awareness. He doesn't move in the pocket to help his OL's with angles. He does not threaten the deep middle to keep D's from blitzing. He doesn't hit hot reads to punish D's for blitzing. On several occasions this year, he has failed to account for rushers. He seldom breaks the pocket. I have never seen him break the pocket, keep his eyes up, and find a receiver working a broken field.

The problem with JG isn't what he can do. He does some things well. He does those things decently consistent by and large. The problem with JG is the things he cannot do. Those inabilities limit the O and make scheming a game plan difficult... it makes UT's O predictable and easy to defend. This isn't a new problem. UT's O has not been difficult to defend since JG stepped on the field.
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BS
 
#46
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BeecherVol said:
Posted this before, but you have to threaten the middle of the field. We don't because we don't trust the QBs accuracy and decision making Its not a secret. Inaccurate or tipped balls across the middle have a better chance of being picked simply because there are more defenders in the area.
Once that is a known, you have given an advantage to DBs. If they know where you re not going, at least not very often they can sit on everything else. Until that changes you re gonna see a "separation" problem. Understanding the root reason is important.
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Very well said. I don't understand people who are supposed to know football cannot see that jg's non ability to throw to the middle of the field hurts our whole team. As soon as we get a qb that can connect on the whole field; you will see more separation, and a greatly improved running game, as well as improvement on the ol.
 
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cgrish said:
Very well said. I don't understand people who are supposed to know football cannot see that jg's non ability to throw to the middle of the field hurts our whole team. As soon as we get a qb to can connect on the whole field; you will see more separation, and a greatly improved running game, as well as improvement on the ol.
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The best offenses in football make you account for every inch of the field. Makes it a ton easier for OCs to get guys the footbal that do good things with it.

We re at a disadvantage until that changes.
 
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vol66 said:
You ain’t the only one OP, I been saying that all year, they ain’t helping the QB position much. This used to be WR U.
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So now it is the wr fault that jg can't perform well at qb, it has been the ol, we have two wr that are in nfl, I think two Callaway, and Jennings, and Callaway had a great game last weekend, and they were both on ut last year. Jg just isn't a good sec qb. He is a good guy just not a good qb, and the sooner we play someone else at qb the better.
 
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cgrish said:
So now it is the wr fault that jg can't perform well at qb, it has been the ol, we have two wr that are in nfl, I think two Callaway, and Jennings, and Callaway had a great game last weekend, and they were both on ut last year. Jg just isn't a good sec qb. He is a good guy just not a good qb, and the sooner we play someone else at qb the better.
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Mine was about separation, the receivers on this team.... I have said, repeatedly, it all has to work together, plenty of blame to go around, people can put it all on one player, one coach, fine by me. Oh yeah, compared to the guys you bring up, so far, I ain’t seen it.
 
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