For everyone who just loves to only blame coaches for everything

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BigOrangeMojo said:
Mizzou and Vandy in 2018. Last week against UK.

Back over a decade ago, I helped a friend of mine breakdown video for a high school in the Memphis area (I had some experience as assistant/coordinator on a volunteer basis for a couple of HS in the Memphis area so I was giving him another set of eyes). This school had a proud tradition but had a coaching change and the players obviously did not buy in. You could tell the players had checked out and quit on the coach. I saw those same exact looks in the 3 games I mentioned as well as much of November 2017.
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Don't forget GA State. They QUIT in the 3rd quarter that game!
 
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When the cook buys the food, cooks the dinner and serves it, you can't blame the ingredients when the food tastes like crap.
 
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Coaches get paid MILLIONS to recruit, train, develop, coach, and scheme. Players get paid...oh wait, no they don't. They are students, on scholarship, many not yet in their 20's, splitting their time between class and football.

If a player doesn't grasp a concept, it's on the coach to teach him. If he is unmotivated, it's on the millionaire professional to find a way to motivate him. If he is not athletic or talented enough to play at this level and is put in a bad position, it's on the coach that keeps trotting him back out on the field.

It's the coach, it's always the coach for one reason or another if the same things keep happening. If a player quits on his team, he shouldn't see the field again...at least not until the COACH has rectified the problem. This is not the NFL where the players are grown men and make more than the coaches.
 
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VolFanNC09 said:
I blame the coaches for not recognizing JGs weaknesses by now and coaching around them. Don't let him think, quick passes, quick reads or throw the ball away. What made Cut such a good QB coach was that. How many times did Payton, Eli, Ainge, Tee make their reads and just get rid of the ball? How many plays, if you watch his QBs over the years. You will see them make their reads and throw it away. JG makes the reads, then tries to make a play....just throw it out of bounds...thats all he needs to do. Drives me crazy watching it. I am yelling at the TV....get rid of the ball...just get rid of the ball!!
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The problem is JG is not a smart QB. The other QBs you mentioned were good.
 
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The difference between college and pro football is....

1) coaches sign the talent.

2) the talent gap among college programs is much wider compared to the professional game.

It’s why Tennessee has only lost to Kentucky 3 times since 1984. That kind of dominance is not possible over 30 years in the NFL
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I've been in situations, leadership situations, where there was no winning formula. All I could do was minimize the negative. Fighting for a neutral result. The absolute best possible outcome. If I'd served 26 years in the Hollywood version of the military, there would have been some magical formula each time things got desperate, some one-in-a-thousand miracle finish. But I didn't work for Hollywood, didn't have their scriptwriters.

I only mention this because some folks with no experience in a particular field, whether the military or professional / college sports, may be forgiven for thinking there's "always a way if you are good enough and work hard enough." That's their education via the movie theater. And that's a bad education. Sometimes there's just no good option.

And yes, bad or neutral outcomes are always on the leader. Buck stops here. Command responsibility. Lonely at the top. All true.

And yet, if you really want to understand what happened, you're going to have to push beyond that simplistic view, and see which specific parts failed, and in what ways.

I assure you, on a team of 100 lads with 11 coaches, when something fails, it will be because there are multiple specific points of failure. One bad piece, even if it's the key piece (head coach, QB, whatever you pick as the key) even the key piece can not alone cause a meltdown of the sort we saw in 2nd half of the UGa game or throughout the Kentucky match. That kind of outcome is invariably the result of multiple points of failure.

I personally believe it started--both weeks, both games--in three or four places: quarterback, offensive line (including TEs and RBs when given blocking/protection roles), and offensive coordinator. Perhaps receivers as well. Could be four places. Which came first? Or did they all fail more or less simultaneously? Impossible for us outsiders to know. But almost for sure, all three or four of those elements broke down at roughly the same time, both weeks. And then, like a house of cards, the rest came apart, ultimately even the defense (which is the strongest part of the team). Even the defense failed toward the end. Lads were giving up. Even on the defense.

So is all that on the head coach? Maybe. Certainly, he has command responsibility, but maybe it is actually something he directly did or failed to do. Then again, maybe not. We outsiders can't know for sure.

Absolutely, the responsibility for fixing whatever failed (every part of whatever failed, however many parts there are) that responsibility rests with the head coach. He drives the leadership team, the other coaches, to get fixes going. He has to have the vision to show them a new and better destination.

But it might be true that, at the point of failure, Jeremy Pruitt simply didn't have any winning hand to play. He may have been stuck, at that point.

*shrug* We are outsiders, looking in. Yes, we're all Volunteers, loyal fans, but we're still outside the day-to-day of the team. We have no idea what happens 164 of the 168 hours in each week. We don't know hardly anything. Almost nothing. We can only see outcomes, on the field, for a few hours. And then it goes dark again on us.

So I"m gonna hope Jeremy's the right head coach to figure this out and find a good path forward, toward the kind of football he and we want Tennessee to play. I'm gonna hope he has assistant coaches who are able to be part of forging that path. I'm gonna hope he has mostly the right players to take that path.

There's nothing else I can do. Just gotta hope for the best. And give them support as they try.

Go Vols!
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Very well said sir.

As a lawyer, I sometimes have to counsel my client that we are looking for the "least bad option." Sometimes, there just isn't a "good" option.
 
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hog88 said:
When the cook buys the food, cooks the dinner and serves it, you can't blame the ingredients when the food tastes like crap.
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Sorry hogg but Sharpe's comment>yours. You are not a HOF NFL player. You dont have multiple SB rings. SS knows more about football then everyone on this board combined. He realizes its the ultimate team game. You dont. Hence why his facts trump your opinion.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I know there are many of you out there who are frustrated like I am. Pissed even. And there is blame to go around. While Pruitt definitely deserves his fair share, it is just flat out wrong to blame him for everything. Using the oh well he is the head man so everything falls on him just doesnt work. And here is the proof. Now if this was just me talking, it would be easy to ignore. However, here is Shannon Sharpe. A multiple SB winning Hall of Fame tight end breaking it down. Basically coaches can only do so much and then players have to do their part. Start at about the 1:30 mark.

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After three years Pruitt has been unable to improve the position. There are three ways, develop, recruit or grad transfer. The fact after two years he hasn't addressed the issue that is qb is very troubling and IMO he had earned every bit of criticism. He must get a grad transfer in as a back up option since he obviously doesn't think any of the other three are ready. They must continue to develop HB.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
In the college setting a head coach has virtually complete power over his program. More so than any other level of football. In high school you have 0 choice on who is at your school (other than certain programs who bend rules and recruit). In the NFL you have an owner and a general manager who heavily influences your roster. In college though, you have control of everything. Roster construction, practice reps, game plan etc. Therefore college coaches have a much bigger impact on their program than at any other level of football. If a player is doing something wrong repeatedly, that's a coaching issue. If a player cannot get any better, that's a coaching issue because he constructs the roster and evaluated and offered that player. Of course people are going to fail to execute on occasion, but the better the coach, the less likely it's a frequently repeating event. We see a lot of frequently repeating events this season. For example, terrible pass blocking is a theme, terrible QB play is a theme, the inability to stop or slow a basic slant route is a theme. When those kind of events keep repeating, game after game, it's a coaching issue.
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Wrong. But thanks for the post. So good to see you and some others give players a complete pass. When we lose, its all on the HC. When we win, its despite the HC. Fans like you cannot have it both ways. Players have to do their part. Absolving them from any blame shows stupidity.
 
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KB5252 said:
After three years Pruitt has been unable to improve the position. There are three ways, develop, recruit or grad transfer. The fact after two years he hasn't addressed the issue that is qb is very troubling and IMO he had earned every bit of criticism. He must get a grad transfer in as a back up option since he obviously doesn't think any of the other three are ready. They must continue to develop HB.
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He absolutely deserves blame. But blame has to go to the other QBs for not looking deep inside themselves and pushing themselves to separate and supplant JG.
 
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3 years in and no back up QB. Lol. Who is responsible for that? Even butch had that covered most of the time, just never had to call on them.
 
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calban said:
3 years in and no back up QB. Lol. Who is responsible for that? Even butch had that covered most of the time, just never had to call on them.
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How do you know butch had it covered if it was never proven on the field?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
He absolutely deserves blame. But blame has to go to the other QBs for not looking deep inside themselves and pushing themselves to separate and supplant JG.
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Perhaps, it's hard to say how much blame goes where in that regard. Are multiple qb's failing to develop because they aren't applying themselves or is the known common denominator, this staff, to blame? It's hard for me to place a lot of blame on them from what I've seen but I could be way off base.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sorry hogg but Sharpe's comment>yours. You are not a HOF NFL player. You dont have multiple SB rings. SS knows more about football then everyone on this board combined. He realizes its the ultimate team game. You dont. Hence why his facts trump your opinion.
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KB5252 said:
Perhaps, it's hard to say how much blame goes where in that regard. Are multiple qb's failing to develop because they aren't applying themselves or is the known common denominator, this staff, to blame? It's hard for me to place a lot of blame on them from what I've seen but I could be way off base.
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That's me. If it were just one QB not performing, I would probably attribute it to that player not applying himself. When the entire position group is apparently falling short, though, I think it's a sign of a bigger issue.
 
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m1al said:
How do you know butch had it covered if it was never proven on the field?
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Peterman ran into some bad luck but had a record setting career at Pitt. Getting a second chance in the NFL with Gruden after his Bills debacle. Had a couple of others who transferred out and did well because of Dobbs the rubber man 's durabiity.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Sorry hogg but Sharpe's comment>yours. You are not a HOF NFL player. You dont have multiple SB rings. SS knows more about football then everyone on this board combined. He realizes its the ultimate team game. You dont. Hence why his facts trump your opinion.
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How is a college coach that gets to pick his players and his staff not 100% responsible for the teams performance?

SS was a great player and knows a lot about football but he's still wrong.
 
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