Poll: Should JG be benched?

[overseasorange2]

I think alot of people will end up disappointed in HB and his "blue chip" status

 

[Hacksaw11]

I can remember it like it was yesterday, sitting in the Georgia Dome for the Tech game and having the radio and tv announcers focus on JG sitting on the bench alone pouting because he did not start. That told me everything I needed to know about the young man.

 

[KB5252]

Was another thread needed?

 

[MWAVolfan]

Start JG against Bama....save the good QB's for the second half of the season.

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Isn't that Daniel in the lion's den? Didn't Daniel survive? LOL

 

[1967vol]

Bailey missed time but Pruitt is supposedly on the record he did not want to waste time on a 4th string Qb because he did not look good in the 10 practice snaps he received prior to the season. An idiot decision if that is true.

Fake news,IMO.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Fake news,IMO.

The announcers in the Kentucky stated in the broadcast that Pruitt told them that. I don’t believe they would manufacture rhe information if it wasn’t true because there would be pushback from UT and Pruitt. I’m inclined to believe it is true.

 

[gunner]

JG should have been benched last season after that terrible performance in the Gator Bowl.

 

[Vol423]

Hmmm...a little preview of the upcoming election results, as the percentages now reported in this poll add up to greater than 100.0%?

 

[1967vol]

The announcers in the Kentucky stated in the broadcast that Pruitt told them that. I don’t believe they would manufacture rhe information if it wasn’t true because there would be pushback from UT and Pruitt. I’m inclined to believe it is true.

It was THEIR interpretation of what he told them. It was not a quote. Besides, Pruitt does not work with QBs. HB was the #3, 5*
QB.Go back and look at some of his videos. Does he look terrible? I think not. Another thing, we have Pruitt's evaluation of JG. How has that worked out?

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

How d

It was THEIR interpretation of what he told them. It was not a quote. Besides, Pruitt does not work with QBs.

Never said it was a direct quote but the general content of what they were saying was (1) he only received 10 snaps (2) Did not look good and (3) Pruitt decided he was not going to time developing a 4th string Qb in the practices, he only had time to work with two. Come on Man , don’t you have anything better to do. They said it on TV. You think they made it up ? Bailey did not get any significant practice reps until the Sunday scrimmage about 1.5 weeks ago. That has been reported at great length here but go ahead and argue about it.

 

[sjt18]

Benching JG will not keep tackles and Rbs from missing blocks,

Really? So you do not understand that the QB is responsible for seeing and accounting for blitzers? You didn't know that the difference between a failing LT and an all conference LT is often just a QB who steps up in the pocket or exploits running lanes between the edge rusher and inside rush? Did you know that a QB who can hit hot reads in tight windows is almost impossible to blitz? That also prevents run blitzes.

UGA's front 7 got the best of UT's OL too often. But JG doesn't help with being a statue and by failing to recognize and burn blitzes.

So essentially the answer to your questions... is yes. Better QB play will make everyone on the O "better". That's actually been an argument made against JG for a long time by some folks here.

Will not cause receivers to get some separation,

Completely untrue. A QB's ability to throw on time, lead receivers into catches, and consistently hit small windows makes a HUGE difference in how a secondary has to respond. The ability to hit those throws when necessary helps receivers get separation.

will not prevent stupid penalties .

Some penalties. No. Some. Yes.

Our Dbs couldn't cover cat poop with a newspaper.

And they've been on the field too much with a field position disadvantage while behind on the scoreboard. The O and JG have made them vulnerable. He's made their job harder. They're fully aware that the O isn't going to produce points behind JG.

But with that said I would like to see HB get his chance. But this team has more problems than who is QB, lots more.

I am ready to see the next man up. The team does have more problems but QB is the "plug" in the pipe. Some of the problems you cannot even recognize until you have a QB that plays well enough for them to become the issue that holds the O back. He limits the O because of the things he does not do and appears incapable of doing. Replacing him won't fix everything. It is just the first necessary step to fixing everything.

 

[25801VOL]

How can anyone vote “No”?

 

[sjt18]

Bailey missed time but Pruitt is supposedly on the record he did not want to waste time on a 4th string Qb because he did not look good in the 10 practice snaps he received prior to the season. An idiot decision if that is true.

I have to disagree. What would you do if you had limited time to get a team prepared to play? I think it is perfectly reasonable not to invest a lot of time in a guy who isn't ready and may not be ready even if you invest all of your time in him.

I think he's managed the QB position poorly since January '19. I don't fault him for not skipping over the other 3 guys to invest in Bailey.

 

[1967vol]

How d
Never said it was a direct quote but the general content of what they were saying was (1) he only received 10 snaps (2) Did not look good and (3) Pruitt decided he was not going to time developing a 4th string Qb in the practices, he only had time to work with two. Come on Man , don’t you have anything better to do. They said it on TV. You think they made it up ? Bailey did not get any significant practice reps until the Sunday scrimmage about 1.5 weeks ago. That has been reported at great length here but go ahead and argue about it.

HB was the #3, 5*QB Go back and look at some of his videos. Does he look terrible? I think not. Another thing, we have Pruitt's evaluation of JG. How has that worked out?

 

[sjt18]

My main point is we should have better quarterbacks on the roster, we don't

Maurer showed better innate talent than JG last year. He did not have experience. He wasn't as coached up. I don't think we can know if his decision making can be corrected or if he is so prone to concussions that he won't be able to stay healthy.

However, he has the ability to hit tight windows. The talent to put the ball where he wanted it wasn't a problem. He did that. He got into trouble by making bad decisions with where to throw. Hopefully that makes sense the way I stated it.

He's decisive and confident with his throws.

He has a quicker release than Shrout or JG... both seem to wind up a little and especially on longer throws.

He throws better off platform and on the run.

He runs better than the other 3 period. Faster. More instinctive.

He has better pocket presence/awareness than JG or Shrout. He instinctively moves in the pocket which helps the OL and gives him better throwing lanes.

There are a TON of other things a QB must be good at to be an SEC starter. But these things separate him from Shrout and JG for sure. HB is still an unknown though we can say with confidence that Maurer is more mobile.


I think JG has likely reached his ceiling. I know it is a very limited sample set but Shrout's INT was the product of multiple mistakes by him... and does not show improvement over what kept him off the field last year.

I would love to see this become a HB vs BM competition to establish who UT's QB is going to be next fall. UT can still have "goals" for this year... but they're pretty much out of contention for the conference or a major bowl. Time to invest in the future.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

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I have to disagree. What would you do if you had limited time to get a team prepared to play? I think it is perfectly reasonable not to invest a lot of time in a guy who isn't ready and may not be ready even if you invest all of your time in him.

I think he's managed the QB position poorly since January '19. I don't fault him for not skipping over the other 3 guys to invest in Bailey.

10 snaps to determine a 5 star guy is not ready is stupid.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

HB was the #3, 5*QB Go back and look at some of his videos. Does he look terrible? I think not. Another thing, we have Pruitt's evaluation of JG. How has that worked out?

Read carefully. They stated Pruitt claimed Bailey looked terrible on the day he had 10 practice reps when camp opened.

 

[sjt18]

HB was the #3, 5*QB Go back and look at some of his videos. Does he look terrible? I think not. Another thing, we have Pruitt's evaluation of JG. How has that worked out?

Years ago I remember Heath Shuler telling some of us about the jump from HS to college. HB played at a very competitive level... and he just jumped to a level where everyone has talent... where no one has a receiver as physically dominant as he had at Marietta. His HS videos show talent. But they're not against talent like he will face in the SEC.

I'm all for him getting a shot. I think there is far more to lose by continuing to play JG (and have for a while) than trying Maurer and HB and possibly Shrout again. But you are greatly underestimating the difference between his HS video and the SEC.

 

[1967vol]

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10 snaps to determine a 5 star guy is not ready is stupid.

I agree with this.

 

[k-town_king]

Maurer showed better innate talent than JG last year. He did not have experience. He wasn't as coached up. I don't think we can know if his decision making can be corrected or if he is so prone to concussions that he won't be able to stay healthy.

However, he has the ability to hit tight windows. The talent to put the ball where he wanted it wasn't a problem. He did that. He got into trouble by making bad decisions with where to throw. Hopefully that makes sense the way I stated it.

He's decisive and confident with his throws.

He has a quicker release than Shrout or JG... both seem to wind up a little and especially on longer throws.

He throws better off platform and on the run.

He runs better than the other 3 period. Faster. More instinctive.

He has better pocket presence/awareness than JG or Shrout. He instinctively moves in the pocket which helps the OL and gives him better throwing lanes.

There are a TON of other things a QB must be good at to be an SEC starter. But these things separate him from Shrout and JG for sure. HB is still an unknown though we can say with confidence that Maurer is more mobile.


I think JG has likely reached his ceiling. I know it is a very limited sample set but Shrout's INT was the product of multiple mistakes by him... and does not show improvement over what kept him off the field last year.

I would love to see this become a HB vs BM competition to establish who UT's QB is going to be next fall. UT can still have "goals" for this year... but they're pretty much out of contention for the conference or a major bowl. Time to invest in the future.

How can you write this much and be wrong about literally every point? You have a real talent.

 

[sjt18]

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10 snaps to determine a 5 star guy is not ready is stupid.

I believe he was specifically talking about scrimmage snaps. And still, if snaps are at a premium and you can only give them to one or two guys... you MUST decide who is closer to helping you. I have a problem with Pruitt choosing JG. I don't have a problem with him NOT choosing HB at that point.

This is where the lack of spring ball and a normal fall camp is really big.

 

[1967vol]

I believe he was specifically talking about scrimmage snaps. And still, if snaps are at a premium and you can only give them to one or two guys... you MUST decide who is closer to helping you. I have a problem with Pruitt choosing JG. I don't have a problem with him NOT choosing HB at that point.

This is where the lack of spring ball and a normal fall camp is really big.

After all this back and forth, I guess this is where I am at on this issue.

 

[sjt18]

How can you write this much and be wrong about literally every point? You have a real talent.

A few years ago a very nice lady began to visit me in my office at lunch. She was a member of a pseudo-Christian cult. She heard that I studied and knew the Bible.... so she thought obviously she could straighten me out on a few issues with her pamphlets and I would see the "wisdom" of the leaders of her cult.

During our interaction, I began to notice that her cult asked all of the relevant questions that the Bible answers... but twisted the Bible to get almost every answer wrong.

That's you. You have a cult mentality that blinds you. You behave just like she did when I took her own pamphlets and showed inconsistencies or places where they were just objectively false.

I'm not sure why you hate Maurer. I suspect that it was just because he threatened the object of your obsession... he exposed him. You just cannot allow for anything good about Maurer... no recognition of any talent for fear that it would crack your self-delusion.

Notice that I said there are still a ton of things that Maurer would have to do well to become a good SEC QB... I didn't predict success. I didn't claim that he was good enough. I only stated what most people here and elsewhere see as obvious. He has raw talent... and that drives you absolutely nuts.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Really? So you do not understand that the QB is responsible for seeing and accounting for blitzers? You didn't know that the difference between a failing LT and an all conference LT is often just a QB who steps up in the pocket or exploits running lanes between the edge rusher and inside rush? Did you know that a QB who can hit hot reads in tight windows is almost impossible to blitz? That also prevents run blitzes.

UGA's front 7 got the best of UT's OL too often. But JG doesn't help with being a statue and by failing to recognize and burn blitzes.

So essentially the answer to your questions... is yes. Better QB play will make everyone on the O "better". That's actually been an argument made against JG for a long time by some folks here.

Completely untrue. A QB's ability to throw on time, lead receivers into catches, and consistently hit small windows makes a HUGE difference in how a secondary has to respond. The ability to hit those throws when necessary helps receivers get separation.

Some penalties. No. Some. Yes.

And they've been on the field too much with a field position disadvantage while behind on the scoreboard. The O and JG have made them vulnerable. He's made their job harder. They're fully aware that the O isn't going to produce points behind JG.


I am ready to see the next man up. The team does have more problems but QB is the "plug" in the pipe. Some of the problems you cannot even recognize until you have a QB that plays well enough for them to become the issue that holds the O back. He limits the O because of the things he does not do and appears incapable of doing. Replacing him won't fix everything. It is just the first necessary step to fixing everything.

Your opinion doesn't mean squat to me, personally I think your diatribe is pure B.S.

 

[sjt18]

Your opinion doesn't mean squat to me, personally I think your diatribe is pure B.S.

Then feel free to remain ignorant about how QB play impacts every other offensive player directly and the defense indirectly but in major ways.

This is not a new JG problem. He's a RS Sr and has led UT's O to more than 30 points only once against an FBS opponent. ONCE. He's always been ineffective... a low impact player at best. Now he's a "game manager" who turns the ball over and isn't managing the O particularly well in addition to his playmaking limitations.

I HOPE that UT gets quality QB play soon from someone. Then... you'll maybe recognize what I'm telling you. A good QB makes those around him better. A bad QB... makes them worse. JG is surrounded by one of the most "talented" OL's in CFB. They can't seem to get out of their own way. And you want to blame that on anyone but the most obvious person.