OUCH Pruitt a poor man's Butch??

#28
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driscokid said:
It doesn’t feel worse than the GA State loss. UK is a decent team with a pretty good coach. Anyone remember Jeff Francis? Steve Alatorre? Jeff Oshevski? (Probably spelled this last 2 wrong) Things have been much worse around here in the QB department...give it some time.
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watched Mallon Faircloth and Hal Wantland before Dewey Warren was found in the swamp
 
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knox-townVOL said:
You can’t throw out “Butch was competitive with Florida and Georgia” as a way of slamming Pruitt. Butch had the benefit of coaching against Florida during the McElwain and Muschamp era’s, and coaching against Georgia during the downfall of the Richt era and the beginning of the Kirby era.

In 2014 Florida scored TEN points on us... TEN... and still won.

There are plenty of arguments against Pruitt, but this one is dumb. Tennessee’s 3 biggest rivals are all in the Top 10 consistently right now, 2 are in the Top 5 consistently. Even Clemson would have a much worse record if you threw those 3 against them every year right now.
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This 100%. Pruitt has been disappointing, but he's also playing in a different SEC East landscape than Butch did.

Here's the thing though - as much as I think that Pruitt is a better football coach/mind that Butch, I can't back that up by results on the field so far. The OP said it themselves...at this juncture in his tenure Butch was 14-15, Pruitt is 15-14. Butch didn't get beat by a Georgia St or BYU-type team in year 2. Butch was competitive with and should have beaten a CFP team in year 3. This season is not over, but can you imagine this year's team going toe-to-toe with and almost beating an eventual playoff team?

Rightly or wrongly, I am willing to give Pruitt more chances because of the credentials and the fact that I think he simply knows way more about football than Butch, but Pruitt being a better head coach than Butch isn't being borne out on the field so far.
 
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I don’t think Beldar is the second coming of Jones but his trajectory could be heading that way. The next several games should help sort that out.

Despite the glorified hype resume posted above, Pruitt doesn’t have the pedigree being implied there. He was never a head coach at any level before coming here. Saban hired him strictly to tap into Hoover High School. Pruitt wasn’t even a coordinator there. Comparing him to Dabo is also disingenuous as Dabo was highly respected including being the recruiting coordinator for Clemson. In his 3rd full year Clemson went ballistic and hasn’t looked back. He has also never lost to a vastly inferior team and even in his worse year (year two 6-7) never had the fugly losses we’ve had. Pruitt is not anywhere near comparable to Dabo and suggesting it is ridiculous.

I hope Pruitt succeeds and becomes a Dabo type but so far he’s coughed up some hairball performances here. We’ll see but he’s teetering and for now he’s back to being Beldar. Aight’
 
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Pru and everyone else wanted JG to be the experienced, successful QB, unitl this past weekend's debacle.

this reminded us of the down-side of JG and also reminded me of his poor decision-making on the goal line last year against Alabama.

the insanity has to stop
 
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When you say "this loss to Kentucky is the worst loss ever" you just make yourself sound ridiculous. That's my opinion piece. It was pretty bad, but to say you'd rather be beaten by Memphis, Georgia State, BYU, Wyoming or Vandy just doesn't make much sense. When you're not very good, other teams beat you sometimes. However, I do think there is reason to believe Butch is a better coach than Pruitt is. That's not crazy. Pruitt's a beginner, though.
 
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Not sure the author understands the meaning of "poor man's" anything. To suggest that Pruitt is a poor man's Butch Jones is to suggest that he is similar but of lesser quality. So, I'm not entirely sure why he follows it up with the then redundant declaration that "I would argue that he is worse than Jones."
 
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utvols83 said:
Josh Dobbs was the only thing that kept Butch from hitting 4-8 and getting canned a lot sooner. If you can't tell that this team is significantly improved on both sides of the ball from Butch's 2017 team (post-Dobbs), then you simply don't know football. Pruitt finally got us a win against Auburn and has beat Muschamp two years in a row. Clearly this program has more progress to make and is still capable of putting up a really bad performance like the UK game...but most of the issues at this point really center around inconsistent QB play. They've got to get Bailey ready and get Maurer up to speed and healthy. Maurer's injury and Bailey being quarantined really set back the development of a good back-up/viable competition for JG.

It's an unfortunate situation to be in, but I'm more focused on seeing if they get those guys ready. The team had a terrible start last season and it got turned around...and that was bad play on both sides of the ball. This time there are small things to fix on defense and the QB situation needs to be fixed. I think it will get figured out.
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They also have to settle on their starting O line instead of moving guys around.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
When you say "this loss to Kentucky is the worst loss ever" you just make yourself sound ridiculous. That's my opinion piece. It was pretty bad, but to say you'd rather be beaten by Memphis, Georgia State, BYU, Wyoming or Vandy just doesn't make much sense. When you're not very good, other teams beat you sometimes. However, I do think there is reason to believe Butch is a better coach than Pruitt is. That's not crazy. Pruitt's a beginner, though.
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I think when Dooley lost to KY that broke our win streak, that was worse than this one. The team gave up because Bray didn't want to go to a "s___ bowl game" so they threw the game.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
We are 3-1 quite possibly 4-0.

Last year its a 10 win season at least. Dobbs could have probably won that bammer game for us too.
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That’s my point. Pruitt is nothing like Butch. He’s an actual coach who knows the game. I think when he and Chaney have their guy, emphasis on “Their Guy” things will be different. Salter will be the first one that is their guy. We HAVE to lock down Simpson to be the next GUY for about a million reasons. Once we get this rolling the offense will click.
I truly believe that.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
That’s my point. Pruitt is nothing like Butch. He’s an actual coach who knows the game. I think when he and Chaney have their guy, emphasis on “Their Guy” things will be different. Salter will be the first one that is their guy. We HAVE to lock down Simpson to be the next GUY for about a million reasons. Once we get this rolling the offense will click.
I truly believe that.
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What other fairy tales do you believe in? You don't get manhandled by Kentucky and be on the cusp of greatness. He hasn't beaten anyone of consequence to suggest he is anything but average and great coordinators don't take a step down within the same conference
 
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Probably. It’s not looking good for him. That said, he will be here another two years and leave with another golden parachute payment to pad his landing at Saban’s coaching rehab clinic
 
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I'm not sure some of you realize it, but saying Butch was only doing better because he had a much better QB isn't exactly a winning argument for Pruitt. Whose fault is it that Pruitt is in year 3 without a quarterback that can throw a ball less likely to hit a defensive player than a Vol receiver?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'm not sure some of you realize it, but saying Butch was only doing better because he had a much better QB isn't exactly a winning argument for Pruitt. Whose fault is it that Pruitt is in year 3 without a quarterback that can throw a ball less likely to hit a defensive player than a Vol receiver?
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Jones also signed another qb who turned out to be pretty talented in Riley Ferguson.
 
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First Jeremy inherited the worst roster and foundation than did Butch. We lost to Vandy 3 straight that is very telling. I was fortunate to be in practices and weight lifting sessions during Butch years and the red flags were apparent. 2nd. Butch to his credit early found his QB that by his 3rd year kept us in games and had a nice crop of Tennessean's Hurd Malone Barnette Maybin and then hit JUCO lotto with Kamara. NFL Team but he did nothing with it what so ever and the foundation he should be building was Paper not Brick. NOW we are asking Coach P to rebuild this mess but we want him to win a championship now. Last Coach P has made mistakes in this process one he is learning on the job 2. His offense system he wants to run needs a power back TE that can play with depth and of course a QB. He is addressing the power back in this class and the TE commitments he has is outstanding. We will see if Bailey develops and to go with Salter coming in he has in the future what he needs to succeed. The line of scrimmage that was decimated when he took over he is rebuilding as well it takes time. Again I am disappointed with Saturday Result and it needs to be better but I am willing to give JP the time needed to truly rebuild this program the right way. No shortcuts back to the top. " In CHRIST Alone"
 
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