Philosophical changes

#51
#51
Meaning no offense to anyone but this analyzing our QB situation is getting out of control IMHO. Let’s shore up our OL and RB blocking schemes and set the corners on defense and play with a disciplined disposition and see what happens because I don’t think you’ll see any of those other QB’s starting any games soon.
 
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#52
#52
Everyone seems to forget BM played in a spread offense in high school. That offense requires a very mobile QB. BM had not taken a snap under center until last year in spring practice. If CJP wanted a mobile QB why would BM not be playing. He would fit the position better than JG. I am like everyone else. I have watched JG for 4 years. It's time to bring in someone else.
 
#53
#53
I believe JG was a top dual threat QB when he was recruited to UT, not that Pruitt did the recruiting. We can only sit on the outside an speculate what we think coach Pruitt is doing on the inside.

I will give you another side of this. Don't you think Pruitt sits down in Phil Fulmer office weekly to talk about the direction Pruitt is taking this team? Phil ran the same smash mouth offense and stout D, that was his style. Who could Phil not beat? That's right Steve Spurrier who ran a wide open offense. Phil has had many years to reflect on why he was pushed out as head ball coach and if he is as smart as I think he is then he knows the direction football is headed. I believe Pruitt wants a big physical team with big running backs, he said as much when he got here. He has the OL on the upward swing with all of the 5* talent there now he has to start pulling in the 5* backs and WR. Now don't get me wrong I am no star gazer but the proof that 5* talent more times than not makes it to the NFL over 2* talent cannot be dismissed. The question is in the class of 2022-2023 will Pruitt be recruiting a running QB? We already know what the class of 2021 is (if they all sign). I do not know the answer as to who/what type of player they will be after but I think Pruitt is smart enough to change his philosophy if the right QB is in the mix for TN.
Those 90s UF Gator teams had better D-Lines and secondaries than we did and shut down the running lanes. Peyton was limited because we couldn't run. The years we beat Florida were the years we won in the trenches.
 
#54
#54
I went to every game that year. And you want to refresh YOUR memory. Martin had along run against Florida and Syracuse but for the most part got sacked in the pocket a lot, especially in the 99 season with a different OL. He was ok but no Dobbs or Shuler while running. He was a classic drop back QB with above average accuracy in some games and average accuracy in others
Get your Big Orange Panties out of a wad Ricky it's ok.
 
#56
#56
Pruitt has a commitment from Kaidon Salter in this current class, a dual threat QB, so I disagree with your notion that he is just a '3 yards and a cloud of dust' type HC. And I don't understand this notion that Pruitt sticks with JG because he is content with just pounding the rock down field, because 1) we have been throwing deep a lot so far this season, something they didn't seem to trust JG to do very often last season, and 2) when he pulled JG after the UF game last season, he went with Maurer over Shrout, even though Shrout had been in the system for a year, because he said Maurer brought the running element to the QB position.

Pruitt is starting the QB who he thinks gives us the best chance of winning right now. If he thought that was Shrout, or Maurer, or Bailey, then one of them would be starting. It's up to one of those QBs to earn the spot.
You make to much sense. They Love Salter alot. Believe he has a bright future.
 
#58
#58
After the last 4 days of non stop reading and listening to sports talk radio about the "reason" why Pruitt keeps putting JG out there it occurs to me that most don't realize Pruitt is absolutely content marching JG out there because his coaching philosophy. He basis his entire game plan and program on a conservative pound the rock control the clock style. I guarantee you while we pulling our hair out Saturday night, they got back and had the film breakdown. They probably thought we could have won that game or competed late into the 4th quarter if not for the turnovers by JG , he probably blames those on Oline miscommunications and RBs missing blocks. That's why he looks so flabbergasted when the media questions if we are thinking about making a change. He doesn't want to put in Shrout or BM and have them play a style of football he doesn't want on the field.

The long term problem is this exact coaching style and way of thinking, he is basically taking the Mid 2000s Alabama "blueprint" that same blueprint Harbaugh is trying to also run in Michigan and Kirby is currently running at UGA. Guess what...Those teams CAN NOT get over the hump with one dimensional QBs. The days of the average drop back vanilla mistake free qb are gone, Saban himself had to re-invent his style and recruiting after losing games to Ole miss (chad kelly) Texas AM (Johnny football) and other "play maker/ dual threat" style QBs. Pruitt says JG gives us the best opportunity to win games according to HIS coaching style, unfortunately that is not going to work in the SEC and i don't understand for the life of me why these old-school coaches refuse to recruit "dual threat" type QBs and give them a chance in pro style offenses. Unless you have a Heisman candidate RBs and a NFL caliber defense you will NEVER get over the hump of a SEC title let alone make a college football playoff.

Here's a quick list of QBs that have played in the Playoff ( i start the list there because Saban had to change style after losing games to the likes of Auburn / Ole miss and seeing the new trends in college football)

Marcus Mariota
Cardele Jones
Jameis Winston
Baker Mayfield
Deshaun Watson
Jake Coker
Jalen Hurts
JT Barett
Kelly Bryant
Tua Tongoviloia
Trevor Lawrence
Kyler Murray
Justin Fields
Joe Burrow

The closest comparable playmaker we have had to those QBs is Josh Dobbs. If you put him on this current roster not only do i believe we could have won Saturday but i believe we could be competing for a trip to Atlanta. If Pruitt doesn't understand this moving forward he will not last long term as we cant compete with the "big 3" trotting out "Game Managers" without having top 5 recruiting classes and Heisman trophy candidate RBs.

The Vols may never be anything better than 3rd in the East, unfortunately
The last 20 years are a testament
 
#59
#59
We don't necessarily need JG to do a lot of running. Just being aware of his surroundings would go a long way (See 1st half w/ UGA vs 2nd half)

It's like something caused JG to forget everything he ever knew about football. .
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I just wish it wasn't the first time this happened, & I fear it won't be the last
 
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#60
#60
After the last 4 days of non stop reading and listening to sports talk radio about the "reason" why Pruitt keeps putting JG out there it occurs to me that most don't realize Pruitt is absolutely content marching JG out there because his coaching philosophy. He basis his entire game plan and program on a conservative pound the rock control the clock style. I guarantee you while we pulling our hair out Saturday night, they got back and had the film breakdown. They probably thought we could have won that game or competed late into the 4th quarter if not for the turnovers by JG , he probably blames those on Oline miscommunications and RBs missing blocks. That's why he looks so flabbergasted when the media questions if we are thinking about making a change. He doesn't want to put in Shrout or BM and have them play a style of football he doesn't want on the field.

The long term problem is this exact coaching style and way of thinking, he is basically taking the Mid 2000s Alabama "blueprint" that same blueprint Harbaugh is trying to also run in Michigan and Kirby is currently running at UGA. Guess what...Those teams CAN NOT get over the hump with one dimensional QBs. The days of the average drop back vanilla mistake free qb are gone, Saban himself had to re-invent his style and recruiting after losing games to Ole miss (chad kelly) Texas AM (Johnny football) and other "play maker/ dual threat" style QBs. Pruitt says JG gives us the best opportunity to win games according to HIS coaching style, unfortunately that is not going to work in the SEC and i don't understand for the life of me why these old-school coaches refuse to recruit "dual threat" type QBs and give them a chance in pro style offenses. Unless you have a Heisman candidate RBs and a NFL caliber defense you will NEVER get over the hump of a SEC title let alone make a college football playoff.

Here's a quick list of QBs that have played in the Playoff ( i start the list there because Saban had to change style after losing games to the likes of Auburn / Ole miss and seeing the new trends in college football)

Marcus Mariota
Cardele Jones
Jameis Winston
Baker Mayfield
Deshaun Watson
Jake Coker
Jalen Hurts
JT Barett
Kelly Bryant
Tua Tongoviloia
Trevor Lawrence
Kyler Murray
Justin Fields
Joe Burrow

The closest comparable playmaker we have had to those QBs is Josh Dobbs. If you put him on this current roster not only do i believe we could have won Saturday but i believe we could be competing for a trip to Atlanta. If Pruitt doesn't understand this moving forward he will not last long term as we cant compete with the "big 3" trotting out "Game Managers" without having top 5 recruiting classes and Heisman trophy candidate RBs.
CJP wants to win every football more than any fan. It is his livelihood. Therefore, he will play the players he believes will give the team the best chance to win. In last week’s game, the grades from of the Oline md running backs was as poor as I have ever seen at Tennessee. Credit has to be given to Georgia’s defensive scheme which was one I have never seen before. I am sure that changes w be made to correct that problem. Look for a much better performance this Saturday.
 
#61
#61
After the last 4 days of non stop reading and listening to sports talk radio about the "reason" why Pruitt keeps putting JG out there it occurs to me that most don't realize Pruitt is absolutely content marching JG out there because his coaching philosophy. He basis his entire game plan and program on a conservative pound the rock control the clock style. I guarantee you while we pulling our hair out Saturday night, they got back and had the film breakdown. They probably thought we could have won that game or competed late into the 4th quarter if not for the turnovers by JG , he probably blames those on Oline miscommunications and RBs missing blocks. That's why he looks so flabbergasted when the media questions if we are thinking about making a change. He doesn't want to put in Shrout or BM and have them play a style of football he doesn't want on the field.

The long term problem is this exact coaching style and way of thinking, he is basically taking the Mid 2000s Alabama "blueprint" that same blueprint Harbaugh is trying to also run in Michigan and Kirby is currently running at UGA. Guess what...Those teams CAN NOT get over the hump with one dimensional QBs. The days of the average drop back vanilla mistake free qb are gone, Saban himself had to re-invent his style and recruiting after losing games to Ole miss (chad kelly) Texas AM (Johnny football) and other "play maker/ dual threat" style QBs. Pruitt says JG gives us the best opportunity to win games according to HIS coaching style, unfortunately that is not going to work in the SEC and i don't understand for the life of me why these old-school coaches refuse to recruit "dual threat" type QBs and give them a chance in pro style offenses. Unless you have a Heisman candidate RBs and a NFL caliber defense you will NEVER get over the hump of a SEC title let alone make a college football playoff.

Here's a quick list of QBs that have played in the Playoff ( i start the list there because Saban had to change style after losing games to the likes of Auburn / Ole miss and seeing the new trends in college football)

Marcus Mariota
Cardele Jones
Jameis Winston
Baker Mayfield
Deshaun Watson
Jake Coker
Jalen Hurts
JT Barett
Kelly Bryant
Tua Tongoviloia
Trevor Lawrence
Kyler Murray
Justin Fields
Joe Burrow

The closest comparable playmaker we have had to those QBs is Josh Dobbs. If you put him on this current roster not only do i believe we could have won Saturday but i believe we could be competing for a trip to Atlanta. If Pruitt doesn't understand this moving forward he will not last long term as we cant compete with the "big 3" trotting out "Game Managers" without having top 5 recruiting classes and Heisman trophy candidate RBs.
Well done, well thought out, Amen, thank you, we can still be physical but with a different style (mentality and mentally as well) QB
 
#62
#62
Darrell Royal the former coach of the National Champ Texas Longhorns famed for his wishbone attack was once quoted as saying, "Potential means you ain't done it yet." That's where our OL and entire offense is. Go back and check our recent Mizzou game. If Henry T does not score his defensive touchdown, it's a coin flip if we win that game. Our offense certainly didn't even then.
 
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#63
#63
After the last 4 days of non stop reading and listening to sports talk radio about the "reason" why Pruitt keeps putting JG out there it occurs to me that most don't realize Pruitt is absolutely content marching JG out there because his coaching philosophy. He basis his entire game plan and program on a conservative pound the rock control the clock style. I guarantee you while we pulling our hair out Saturday night, they got back and had the film breakdown. They probably thought we could have won that game or competed late into the 4th quarter if not for the turnovers by JG , he probably blames those on Oline miscommunications and RBs missing blocks. That's why he looks so flabbergasted when the media questions if we are thinking about making a change. He doesn't want to put in Shrout or BM and have them play a style of football he doesn't want on the field.

The long term problem is this exact coaching style and way of thinking, he is basically taking the Mid 2000s Alabama "blueprint" that same blueprint Harbaugh is trying to also run in Michigan and Kirby is currently running at UGA. Guess what...Those teams CAN NOT get over the hump with one dimensional QBs. The days of the average drop back vanilla mistake free qb are gone, Saban himself had to re-invent his style and recruiting after losing games to Ole miss (chad kelly) Texas AM (Johnny football) and other "play maker/ dual threat" style QBs. Pruitt says JG gives us the best opportunity to win games according to HIS coaching style, unfortunately that is not going to work in the SEC and i don't understand for the life of me why these old-school coaches refuse to recruit "dual threat" type QBs and give them a chance in pro style offenses. Unless you have a Heisman candidate RBs and a NFL caliber defense you will NEVER get over the hump of a SEC title let alone make a college football playoff.

Here's a quick list of QBs that have played in the Playoff ( i start the list there because Saban had to change style after losing games to the likes of Auburn / Ole miss and seeing the new trends in college football)

Marcus Mariota
Cardele Jones
Jameis Winston
Baker Mayfield
Deshaun Watson
Jake Coker
Jalen Hurts
JT Barett
Kelly Bryant
Tua Tongoviloia
Trevor Lawrence
Kyler Murray
Justin Fields
Joe Burrow

The closest comparable playmaker we have had to those QBs is Josh Dobbs. If you put him on this current roster not only do i believe we could have won Saturday but i believe we could be competing for a trip to Atlanta. If Pruitt doesn't understand this moving forward he will not last long term as we cant compete with the "big 3" trotting out "Game Managers" without having top 5 recruiting classes and Heisman trophy candidate RBs.

Not to belabor your point about "QB style" as to Pruitt's playing "philosophy", but did not he recruit the boy's behind JG? (can't remember) Along this line is the "coming savior" from GA. not a "gamer" rather than a "game manager" type QB and is he not an option type (run or pass) rather than a "pocket type"? (I am not sure) I do know he is a Pruitt recruit.
 
#64
#64
What am I missing here; BM and Shrout played quite a lot last year. Were they any better?

Not sure they were worse. And with very little to no college experience, not over two years under their belts. All JG hasa done to instill in us the fan is that he has "topped out". The other two guys have not had a chance to show anyone what their "top out point" is....
 
#66
#66
We don't necessarily need JG to do a lot of running. Just being aware of his surroundings would go a long way (See 1st half w/ UGA vs 2nd half)

It's like something caused JG to forget everything he ever knew about football. .
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I just wish it wasn't the first time this happened, & I fear it won't be the last
A top notch group of defensive players with make anyone forget.
 
#67
#67
In short, bc of a conservative offensive mindset, we have become very predictable in a game. Don’t believe me, watch the tape of the second half. Georgia lines up exactly where the ball was going, multiple players blitzed with a running starts, over and over, at the exact moment we snapped the ball, bc they figured out the snap count. They shut down JG’s preferred passing game (short to medium distance) bc he still stares down his primary target.

Now you throw in the fact that JG is slow: Slow footed, slow in his reads, slow to check, slow release, slow to deliver the ball...we’ll you get it...he’s just slow. Don’t get me wrong...he’s a good kid, he’s a VFL, he’s tough as nails and he wants to win...but he is slow and predictable. If you want to energize the offense, make us less predictable, and quite possibly make us more productive, then we need to change things up with the QB.

Without some amount of risk there is no reward! GBO!
 
#68
#68
This shows you know nothing about football. The most important part of a football team is the OL. If the OL doesn't block it doesn't matter if you have Josh Dobbs or Steve Spurrier at QB, you are not gonna beat a team like UGA. We will not play a team the rest of the season who is even in the same league as their D.

Hyperbole much....”this shows you know NOTHING about football”. Okay bud! 👌
 
#69
#69
He doesn't want to put in Shrout or BM and have them play a style of football he doesn't want on the field.

You telling me he recruited players that he knew wouldn't fit his system, and doesn't want to play them.

That's what you're telling me?
 
#70
#70
In short, bc of a conservative offensive mindset, we have become very predictable in a game. Don’t believe me, watch the tape of the second half. Georgia lines up exactly where the ball was going, multiple players blitzed with a running starts, over and over, at the exact moment we snapped the ball, bc they figured out the snap count. They shut down JG’s preferred passing game (short to medium distance) bc he still stares down his primary target.

Now you throw in the fact that JG is slow: Slow footed, slow in his reads, slow to check, slow release, slow to deliver the ball...we’ll you get it...he’s just slow. Don’t get me wrong...he’s a good kid, he’s a VFL, he’s tough as nails and he wants to win...but he is slow and predictable. If you want to energize the offense, make us less predictable, and quite possibly make us more productive, then we need to change things up with the QB.

Without some amount of risk there is no reward! GBO!

It would have been a good idea to change up the snap count.....It was like Georgia was in our huddle....
 
#71
#71
You telling me he recruited players that he knew wouldn't fit his system, and doesn't want to play them.

That's what you're telling me?

I would say Tyson Helton had more of a say in the qbs he was recruiting to run his offense..Pruitt would probably allow his OC to pick his play caller. I also think we were coming off a terrible season and weren’t really on any top level qb radar..i do think there is something to be said that neither qb with multiple chances has been able to over take JG up to this point.

Not to be a downer even more ...but does anyone think it’s strange our current OC didn’t recruit or try to get Bailey at UGA and now they are targeting that other kid from Texas....why does that tell you about Bailey future??
 
#72
#72
I would say Tyson Helton had more of a say in the qbs he was recruiting to run his offense..Pruitt would probably allow his OC to pick his play caller. I also think we were coming off a terrible season and weren’t really on any top level qb radar..i do think there is something to be said that neither qb with multiple chances has been able to over take JG up to this point.

Not to be a downer even more ...but does anyone think it’s strange our current OC didn’t recruit or try to get Bailey at UGA and now they are targeting that other kid from Texas....why does that tell you about Bailey future??

I guess I'm not so much worried about that, since Georgia's QB room was loaded with five star talent and ours is, or was, devoid of just about any talent. I'm assuming that would be one of the reasons why you might Target different players in each place. I don't know though, just speculating.

I'm pretty sure if one of the two had to cut their career short here, fans would probably rather Cheney go than Bailey.
 
#73
#73
I guess I'm not so much worried about that, since Georgia's QB room was loaded with five star talent and ours is, or was, devoid of just about any talent. I'm assuming that would be one of the reasons why you might Target different players in each place. I don't know though, just speculating.

I'm pretty sure if one of the two had to cut their career short here, fans would probably rather Cheney go than Bailey.

speculating as well , I just see the comments and listen to the callers and I fear everyone thinks Bailey is the savior qb and I hope he is, but if he gets over recruited I wouldn’t be shocked seeing as how our current OC didn’t even want him when he was at our rival.
 
#74
#74
Pruitt has a commitment from Kaidon Salter in this current class, a dual threat QB, so I disagree with your notion that he is just a '3 yards and a cloud of dust' type HC. And I don't understand this notion that Pruitt sticks with JG because he is content with just pounding the rock down field, because 1) we have been throwing deep a lot so far this season, something they didn't seem to trust JG to do very often last season, and 2) when he pulled JG after the UF game last season, he went with Maurer over Shrout, even though Shrout had been in the system for a year, because he said Maurer brought the running element to the QB position.

Pruitt is starting the QB who he thinks gives us the best chance of winning right now. If he thought that was Shrout, or Maurer, or Bailey, then one of them would be starting. It's up to one of those QBs to earn the spot.
They cannot earn the spot with limited practice snaps. They need to get into the game. How they will do is unknown but I do know for certain they are not scared like JG is. JG has never been a confident Qb even we he has an average or good game which doesn’t happen very often.
 
#75
#75
speculating as well , I just see the comments and listen to the callers and I fear everyone thinks Bailey is the savior qb and I hope he is, but if he gets over recruited I wouldn’t be shocked seeing as how our current OC didn’t even want him when he was at our rival.

Sobering thought, the same recruiting services and so-called experts who were telling us Bailey is the future savior of a program, are the same ones telling us QB1 was the #2 dual threat quarterback in the country.
 
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