Next gen console power (PS5 and Xbox Series X)

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***RoadVol*** said:
My PS4 Pro has heat issues. High powered PC's put off a lot of heat. My cell phone gets hot in my hand when playing a game. Heat and computer parts go hand and hand. It will be fine.
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I've been building PCs for 25 year and console gaming for 30. It's normal for them to get warm/hot under load. It's not normal for them for them to get hot while idle, same for your phone. It's hard to say without getting actual temps from inside the case. But what's being reported doesn't sound normal. Like I said, it may be fine. Hopefully this just means the big @$$ fan on the thing dissipates heat really well. But I'll wait and see.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I've been building PCs for 25 year and console gaming for 30. It's normal for them to get warm/hot under load. It's not normal for them for them to get hot while idle, same for your phone. It's hard to say without getting actual temps from inside the case. But what's being reported doesn't sound normal. Like I said, it may be fine. Hopefully this just means the big @$$ fan on the thing dissipates heat really well. But I'll wait and see.
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I'm right with you. If idle temps of any CPU is above 30C then their is a huge problem. Idle temps should be below with good cooling.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
I'm right with you. If idle temps of any CPU is above 30C then their is a huge problem. Idle temps should be below with good cooling.
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Yep, the heat under load doesn't worry me so much. Emulating the old hardware can be taxing, so the statements about the next gen games pushing it harder may not be true either. So that doesn't worry me. It's the claim that it runs hot while not under load that raises my eyebrows. I'd love to see what actually temp on the gpu and cpu are in that situation. Hopefully it's being overstated.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Yep, the heat under load doesn't worry me so much. Emulating the old hardware can be taxing, so the statements about the next gen games pushing it harder may not be true either. So that doesn't worry me. It's the claim that it runs hot while not under load that raises my eyebrows. I'd love to see what actually temp on the gpu and cpu are in that situation. Hopefully it's being overstated.
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Heat under load is fine. CPUs running 65°C under torture testing is normal, but if a CPU is running hot at idle that means even worse temps under load for the CPU AND GPU because those guys are going to be even closer than what you see in a typical PC case. All in all, still not seeing a reason for me to buy a XSX. PS5 looks like the way to go for me if I get a console. And I'm still going to wait a little after launch.

Btw, have you been keeping up with the new Ryzen 5000 series?
 
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zhangliao04 said:
Heat under load is fine. CPUs running 65°C under torture testing is normal, but if a CPU is running hot at idle that means even worse temps under load for the CPU AND GPU because those guys are going to be even closer than what you see in a typical PC case. All in all, still not seeing a reason for me to buy a XSX. PS5 looks like the way to go for me if I get a console. And I'm still going to wait a little after launch.

Btw, have you been keeping up with the new Ryzen 5000 series?
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I'll probably wait a year before getting either. If I get one near launch it'll probably be a Series S honestly. It just isn't going to get taxed as hard running games at 1080, I don't think. That and there's a ton of value in that machine.

I'm intrigued by the ryzen. But I'd have to do a total rebuild. I'm running an I7 right now. I'll probably look at upgrading my gpu first and get a few more years out of my current build. If I was starting over, I'd be shopping AMD right now though.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I'll probably wait a year before getting either. If I get one near launch it'll probably be a Series S honestly. It just isn't going to get taxed as hard running games at 1080, I don't think. That and there's a ton of value in that machine.

I'm intrigued by the ryzen. But I'd have to do a total rebuild. I'm running an I7 right now. I'll probably look at upgrading my gpu first and get a few more years out of my current build. If I was starting over, I'd be shopping AMD right now though.
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I have to start over completely. My current build is:

I5-3570k (been a BEAST of a CPU for all of these years)
AsRock Extreme Z77 motherboard
EVGA GTX 1070 FTW
2 500 GB SATA SSD's and 1 1TB HDD
850W Power Supply Gold rated (had to replace from a 750W and this power supply was on sale with great ratings so I went with it)
8GB DDR3 RAM

As you can see, no matter which way I go I will have to buy a new MB with my new CPU, a new GPU, and new DDR4 RAM. So my thought right now is which way do I go? I was ready to buy the new 5800X until I saw that price.

Do the Intel 10000 series processors still have issues with security/hacking?
 
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zhangliao04 said:
I have to start over completely. My current build is:

I5-3570k (been a BEAST of a CPU for all of these years)
AsRock Extreme Z77 motherboard
EVGA GTX 1070 FTW
2 500 GB SATA SSD's and 1 1TB HDD
850W Power Supply Gold rated (had to replace from a 750W and this power supply was on sale with great ratings so I went with it)
8GB DDR3 RAM

As you can see, no matter which way I go I will have to buy a new MB with my new CPU, a new GPU, and new DDR4 RAM. So my thought right now is which way do I go? I was ready to buy the new 5800X until I saw that price.

Do the Intel 10000 series processors still have issues with security/hacking?
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I'm running this:
I7 6700k
ASUS Z170 MB
EVGA GTX 970
250 gig SSD 3TB HDD
EVGA 750W Power supply (bronze rated, it's been a trooper)
16GB DDR4 Gskill ram.

Not sure on the 10000 Intel processors. I'm pretty much set on moving to AMD next go around. So I haven't paid much attention for the last few years. My GPU is the real weak point right now. But I don't PC game as much recently. With the new consoles coming out I figured a gpu bump will hold me for a bit.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I'm running this:
I7 6700k
EVGA GTX 970
250 gig SSD 3TB HDD
EVGA 750W Power supply (bronze rated, it's been a trooper)
16GB DDR4 Gskill ram.

Not sure on the 10000 Intel processors. I'm pretty much set on moving to AMD next go around. So I haven't paid much attention for the last few years. My GPU is the real weak point right now. But I don't PC game as much recently. With the new consoles coming out I figured a gpu bump will hold me for a bit.
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Yeah, if I had an I7 from the 6000 or 7000 series then I'd wait until AMD 5nm CPU's. I'm starting to see issues going on with my rig now with huge short random dips in FPS or random dips in FPS with prolonged time-frames. My 1070 is probably good for another year, but I have been waiting for a while to upgrade. Had the itch to upgrade with the 3700X last year, but didn't. Now I REALLY have that itch hah.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
Yeah, if I had an I7 from the 6000 or 7000 series then I'd wait until AMD 5nm CPU's. I'm starting to see issues going on with my rig now with huge short random dips in FPS or random dips in FPS with prolonged time-frames. My 1070 is probably good for another year, but I have been waiting for a while to upgrade. Had the itch to upgrade with the 3700X last year, but didn't. Now I REALLY have that itch hah.
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I know, AMD has been killing it on the CPU front. They've been making Intel look bad the last few years. Now if the Radeon could just match Nvidia. I'm looking at a RTX 3070 or the RTX 3060ti right now, but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I know, AMD has been killing it on the CPU front. They've been making Intel look bad the last few years. Now if the Radeon could just match Nvidia. I'm looking at a RTX 3070 or the RTX 3060ti right now, but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
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I really want a 3080, but I may be forced to get a 3070 with where prices are at. I'm also intrigued with the reports of the 20 GB 3080 and 16 GB 3070. Gonna wait and see what NVidia does when AMD unveils their RX 6000 series.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
I really want a 3080, but I may be forced to get a 3070 with where prices are at. I'm also intrigued with the reports of the 20 GB 3080 and 16 GB 3070. Gonna wait and see what NVidia does when AMD unveils their RX 6000 series.
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Anybody that can afford a 3080 is doing better than me lol. I've not had good luck out of Radeon cards, in general. It's been a while since I've tried one though.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
I really want a 3080, but I may be forced to get a 3070 with where prices are at. I'm also intrigued with the reports of the 20 GB 3080 and 16 GB 3070. Gonna wait and see what NVidia does when AMD unveils their RX 6000 series.
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I'm looking at either the 3070 or 3080 but feels like I won't be able to get one until winter at the earliest with how the stock has been.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Anybody that can afford a 3080 is doing better than me lol. I've not had good luck out of Radeon cards, in general. It's been a while since I've tried one though.
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Yeah they haven't been great, but apparently the most recent driver update increased efficiency greatly by like 10% or something.
 
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Aesius said:
I'm looking at either the 3070 or 3080 but feels like I won't be able to get one until winter at the earliest with how the stock has been.
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It was always my plan to wait, but I'm with you in that it may be winter by the time I can get one of either. Also, this whole launch/stock issue has been disturbing and fishy. Definitely don't trust NVidia still, but dangit their GPUs are the better ones.
 
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If true for both machines, then that's some bad engineering and designing. Those are horrible thermals.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
If true for both machines, then that's some bad engineering and designing. Those are horrible thermals.
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I can't say I've ever bothered to take temps on my consoles. By PC standards that's pretty bad. But based on what I can find on Google, the peak number doesn't look too be much worse than the last gen consoles. The lower number is quite a bit higher than last gen though. The Xbox 360 would peak at like 170 degrees apparently. Whichever one I end up going with, it dang sure won't be sat in a cabinet or anywhere that restricts air flow.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I can't say I've ever bothered to take temps on my consoles. By PC standards that's pretty bad. But based on what I can find on Google, the peak number doesn't look too be much worse than the last gen consoles. The lower number is quite a bit higher than last gen though. The Xbox 360 would peak at like 170 degrees apparently. Whichever one I end up going with, it dang sure won't be sat in a cabinet or anywhere that restricts air flow.
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Yeah the 360 was one of the worst for thermals with the use of styrofoam for heat exchange between the CPU and the heat sink. Seriously doesn't cost much at all to use a small amount of actually good thermal paste. If I get one I will seriously think about a cooling device for it.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
Yeah the 360 was one of the worst for thermals with the use of styrofoam for heat exchange between the CPU and the heat sink. Seriously doesn't cost much at all to use a small amount of actually good thermal paste. If I get one I will seriously think about a cooling device for it.
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Even that you have to be carful about. I had an intercooler fort one of my 360s. It staved off the red ring of death, but it killed the video output on the thing and made it unusable that way. I wish I could add liquid cooling to them like a pc.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Even that you have to be carful about. I had an intercooler fort one of my 360s. It staved off the red ring of death, but it killed the video output on the thing and made it unusable that way. I wish I could add liquid cooling to them like a pc.
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Liquid cooling would be awesome, can’t imagine what that would have done to pricing. They’re already walking that fine line where they’re masquerading PCs as “consoles” and they know they’re handcuffed by that magic number, in this year’s case $499, where they feel like people won’t abandon them to buy or build their own PCs. That having been said I wouldn’t be surprised if the next run of consoles feature the promise of upgrade-able components or custom builds.
 
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CubsFanTN said:
Liquid cooling would be awesome, can’t imagine what that would have done to pricing. They’re already walking that fine line where they’re masquerading PCs as “consoles” and they know they’re handcuffed by that magic number, in this year’s case $499, where they feel like people won’t abandon them to buy or build their own PCs. That having been said I wouldn’t be surprised if the next run of consoles feature the promise of upgrade-able components or custom builds.
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From an engineering perspective I don't see how they could make easy, modular GPU or CPU upgrades, which are really the only things that would give noticeable boosts in performance. It's not easy as plugging in a expansion pack with an extra 4 MB of RAM, ala N64. And there's no way they would make it as technical as PC upgrades, as console gamers don't want that and it would also kill any reason to get a console.

Plus, I think Sony and Microsoft like the half-step upgrade thing a little too much now to do anything else (basically a freebie of a "new console" but without having to go all-in on actually designing a new one).
 
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Aesius said:
From an engineering perspective I don't see how they could make easy, modular GPU or CPU upgrades, which are really the only things that would give noticeable boosts in performance. It's not easy as plugging in a expansion pack with an extra 4 MB of RAM, ala N64. And there's no way they would make it as technical as PC upgrades, as console gamers don't want that and it would also kill any reason to get a console.

Plus, I think Sony and Microsoft like the half-step upgrade thing a little too much now to do anything else (basically a freebie of a "new console" but without having to go all-in on actually designing a new one).
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Just to play devil's advocate, you could swap out GPUs or RAM in a matter of seconds, just put an access door directly above those parts. I was doing that when I was 10 and kids now are infinitely smarter than I was at that age. Now I’m talking proprietary Sony/MS parts, not something you could yank out of a PC or laptop, sort or like what MS has done with their add on hard drives for Series X. Easy plug and play upgrades, one maybe two steps. You’re right though, they’d love to keep double dipping with these v2.0 consoles, but at some point don’t you think that they will work the numbers where instead of 20% of users upgrading their console for 500 bucks they can get 75% of users to buy both a GPU and a RAM upgrade separately at a total cost of say $350 and come out way ahead? I’m just spitballing ideas, not saying anyone is right or wrong.
 
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