Official Gramps' Memorial Eternal OT Thread

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I had a buddy from our Wolfpack that joined the navy. Was on a Carrier at sea for a year maybe? Came back to port in Seattle and pizzed dirty. Reeeaaal dirty. They locked him up on the boat for a few weeks, first time he got off, he jumped on a plane back to Charlotte AWOL. Stayed here partied with us for a few months. He ended up eventually going back to face the court martial, he was in the brig for a month or 2 I think before his trial...he ended up getting an "administrative separation" from the US Navy. Turns out that they couldn't give him a dishonorable discharge because he had been honest with them going in and told them that he had used all kinds of drugs before. Kinda one of those "you knew I was a snake when you picked me up" kinda things.

His dad was a marine in VN, had some horrible pictures. He was in some ugly stuff...Alan was more worried about disappointing his Dad than getting court martial and sent to bust rocks or something.

We are still buddies to this day. Never see him, but we talk from time to time. This dude always had beautiful women on his arm...could pull any chick at a bar etc...he married a damn shrew that runs his whole life. Go figure...
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I had a buddy from our Wolfpack that joined the navy. Was on a Carrier at sea for a year maybe? Came back to port in Seattle and pizzed dirty. Reeeaaal dirty. They locked him up on the boat for a few weeks, first time he got off, he jumped on a plane back to Charlotte AWOL. Stayed here partied with us for a few months. He ended up eventually going back to face the court martial, he was in the brig for a month or 2 I think before his trial...he ended up getting an "administrative separation" from the US Navy. Turns out that they couldn't give him a dishonorable discharge because he had been honest with them going in and told them that he had used all kinds of drugs before. Kinda one of those "you knew I was a snake when you picked me up" kinda things.

His dad was a marine in VN, had some horrible pictures. He was in some ugly stuff...Alan was more worried about disappointing his Dad than getting court martial and sent to bust rocks or something.

We are still buddies to this day. Never see him, but we talk from time to time. This dude always had beautiful women on his arm...could pull any chick at a bar etc...he married a damn shrew that runs his whole life. Go figure...
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There are more than a few of us that have met that fate.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Even with her confession to meeting for sex, and I would assume corroborating evidence of both of them being in whatever city? Article said she came to NC at least once to see him....from 3000 miles away in Cali

I dont care about court martial, but I would like to see him get a dishonorable, or administrative separation ....
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Even with the confession, adultery remains (or at least was) one of the few he said/she said crimes in the military that requires an overwhelming amount of proof it happened. I.E. pics, videos or catching them in the act. It's easy to get one party to say it happened (scorned lover for example) it's another when the opposite party says "didn't happen and prove it did." It's all about the proof which in those cases is damn near impossible to produce.

The texting could get him a Conduct Unbecoming charge if it's linked in any way to his time in service, but unless he admits it freely, no charge for adultery will happen. Won't be a dishonorable or bad conduct discharge either. More likely General or "Under other than Honorable" conditions.

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If the womans husband was separated from the military and he wasn't on duty or in an official capacity I doubt they even give it a look.
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Not necessarily accurate. If she was a Lt and he was a Lt Col, he's still reaching down the ranks and carrying on an unprofessional relationship with what could be a subordinate (the article wasn't clear on that) and the .mil still frowns upon such things. You and I both know it happens all the time, but toss the marriage angle into it along with the wide gap in ranks, and they'll find it very easy to move him along unless he's just that good.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Even with the confession, adultery remains (or at least was) one of the few he said/she said crimes in the military that requires an overwhelming amount of proof it happened. I.E. pics, videos or catching them in the act. It's easy to get one party to say it happened (scorned lover for example) it's another when the opposite party says "didn't happen and prove it did." It's all about the proof which in those cases is damn near impossible to produce.

The texting could get him a Conduct Unbecoming charge if it's linked in any way to his time in service, but unless he admits it freely, no charge for adultery will happen. Won't be a dishonorable or bad conduct discharge either. More likely General or "Under other than Honorable" conditions.



Not necessarily accurate. If she was a Lt and he was a Lt Col, he's still reaching down the ranks and carrying on an unprofessional relationship with what could be a subordinate (the article wasn't clear on that) and the .mil still frowns upon such things. You and I both know it happens all the time, but toss the marriage angle into it along with the wide gap in ranks, and they'll find it very easy to move him along unless he's just that good.
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I can absolutely see them sending him on his way, just doubt there will be a CM.
 
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hmhawk said:
Adultery is immoral, not illegal.
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The military view is a bit different is more complex - having to do with things like separation of husband and spouse and wanting the husband to have peace of mind to concentrate on the job while he's away. Yes the wife can be the military and the husband the spouse, but easier to say it one way. For another, the concept of rank and privileges of rank and the potential for abuse in an almost feudal relationship makes the military different from the civilian world. Consider, for example, you can walk away from a civilian job if you believe it is in your best interest, but the military doesn't work that way.
 
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AM64 said:
The military view is a bit different is more complex - having to do with things like separation of husband and spouse and wanting the husband to have peace of mind to concentrate on the job while he's away. Yes the wife can be the military and the husband the spouse, but easier to say it one way. For another, the concept of rank and privileges of rank and the potential for abuse in an almost feudal relationship makes the military different from the civilian world. Consider, for example, you can walk away from a civilian job if you believe it is in your best interest, but the military doesn't work that way.
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You could always tell which brigade was in the field or deployed by who's wives were down range in the bars.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Not the defense to use in the military...
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I've been out almost 50 years. When I was in the USMJ went by the laws of the state. Adultery ain't a crime in TN. Just sayin'. I know how the military looks at it but in this day and age immorality is as accepted as Green Stamps.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Even with the confession, adultery remains (or at least was) one of the few he said/she said crimes in the military that requires an overwhelming amount of proof it happened. I.E. pics, videos or catching them in the act. It's easy to get one party to say it happened (scorned lover for example) it's another when the opposite party says "didn't happen and prove it did." It's all about the proof which in those cases is damn near impossible to produce.

The texting could get him a Conduct Unbecoming charge if it's linked in any way to his time in service, but unless he admits it freely, no charge for adultery will happen. Won't be a dishonorable or bad conduct discharge either. More likely General or "Under other than Honorable" conditions.



Not necessarily accurate. If she was a Lt and he was a Lt Col, he's still reaching down the ranks and carrying on an unprofessional relationship with what could be a subordinate (the article wasn't clear on that) and the .mil still frowns upon such things. You and I both know it happens all the time, but toss the marriage angle into it along with the wide gap in ranks, and they'll find it very easy to move him along unless he's just that good.
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He got a bronze star...they don't just pass those out...but I do not know the specifics of whether he actually did something brave or heroic, or just managed some guys who did, and happened to be there at the time.

I will say this: much like Kamala and Joe, every single word out of his mouth is a lie...and sounds like the guy at the dealership trying to upcharge you a grand for "undercarriage spray" or "military grade rubber floor mats" for $575....absolute rat fink, and a blind man could see it. Heard a rumor he had yet another chick on the side, just like the Dem from NC last time who was cheating on his wife while she died of cancer...REAL stand-up guys....
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
He got a bronze star...they don't just pass those out...but I do not know the specifics of whether he actually did something brave or heroic, or just managed some guys who did, and happened to be there at the time.

I will say this: much like Kamala and Joe, every single word out of his mouth is a lie...and sounds like the guy at the dealership trying to upcharge you a grand for "undercarriage spray" or "military grade rubber floor mats" for $575....absolute rat fink, and a blind man could see it. Heard a rumor he had yet another chick on the side, just like the Dem from NC last time who was cheating on his wife while she died of cancer...REAL stand-up guys....
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A grand for undercarriage spray? What a ripoff.

I only charge $975 for that.
 
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What is the general threshold for a guy to get a bronze star? Obviously less than a Medal of Honor, and unlike a Purple Heart, no need to get hurt in the line of duty ....what would yall say guys usually get a bronze star for in the Army Reserve? Guessing combat in Iraq or Afghanistan...but I come from an AF family ....we usually just drop bombs and occasionally shoot rockets or missiles, but air to air combat since Vietnam has been quite infrequent.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
What is the general threshold for a guy to get a bronze star? Obviously less than a Medal of Honor, and unlike a Purple Heart, no need to get hurt in the line of duty ....what would yall say guys usually get a bronze star for in the Army Reserve? Guessing combat in Iraq or Afghanistan...but I come from an AF family ....we usually just drop bombs and occasionally shoot rockets or missiles, but air to air combat since Vietnam has been quite infrequent.
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I don’t know. But my high school US history teacher used start class every Friday by reading the actions of soldiers who had been awarded the silver star. Every time he got done I always thought to myself “how the hell did they not get the Medal of Honor for that ****.”
 
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Something like 80% + of MoH recipients are awarded posthumously.... I am not sure how many living holders of MoH there are...but it can't be very many.

I am a patriot to the core, and have always been a military/war buff...those stories about these heroes are just flat out amazing. Those guys are tough as a 10c steak, and just flat out have no fear of death when it was time to be The Man of the Hour... so much respect for them, and ANY man or woman who has given their life to protect this country, our Constitution, and our way of life....being a brat that was on base so much growing up, I never have forgotten that Freedom isn't free...and it is paid for with blood, courage, and sacrifice. I know that might sound cheesy, but the 2 men that I love the most, which I buried both in the last 2 years...they both were career military and stayed on 26 years each instead of 20 for full retirement . Love, respect, and miss them more than I could ever say. Anyway, Go Vols.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
What is the general threshold for a guy to get a bronze star? Obviously less than a Medal of Honor, and unlike a Purple Heart, no need to get hurt in the line of duty ....what would yall say guys usually get a bronze star for in the Army Reserve? Guessing combat in Iraq or Afghanistan...but I come from an AF family ....we usually just drop bombs and occasionally shoot rockets or missiles, but air to air combat since Vietnam has been quite infrequent.
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The Bronze Star can be awarded without a V for merit and achievement. or with a V for valor. Newer military guys can maybe cover what it takes to get the regular one - they are not handed out like candy but sure looks like they aren't exactly rare these days - medal creep.

  • World War II: 395,380 recipients
  • Korean War: 30,359 recipients
  • Vietnam War: 719,969 recipients: 549,343 for achievement and service and 170,626 for valor
  • Operation Iraqi Freedom: 102,345 recipients: 99,886 for achievement and service and 2,459 for valor
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
What is the general threshold for a guy to get a bronze star? Obviously less than a Medal of Honor, and unlike a Purple Heart, no need to get hurt in the line of duty ....what would yall say guys usually get a bronze star for in the Army Reserve? Guessing combat in Iraq or Afghanistan...but I come from an AF family ....we usually just drop bombs and occasionally shoot rockets or missiles, but air to air combat since Vietnam has been quite infrequent.
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Pretty sure it’s a combat award only. Heroism in the face of the enemy at great risk to own life or something like that.
 
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