Beyond the discussion; where do you stand politically?

Relative to your current party affiliation, where are you politically?

  • I align 100% with my party.

    Votes: 2 2.4%

  • My party (party candidate) has partially left me or is slowing leaving me.

    Votes: 9 10.8%

  • My party (party candidate) has mostly left me or is quickly leaving me

    Votes: 11 13.3%

  • I don't agree with my party (or candidates) anymore (but the other sucks worse).

    Votes: 23 27.7%

  • I've changed parties (officially or unofficially).

    Votes: 8 9.6%

  • This poll is the worst in the history of VN.

    Votes: 41 49.4%
  • Total voters
    83
#77
#77
USAFgolferVol said:
I'm a Christian, so you have no idea WTF you're talking about and I don't watch CNN. Thanks for exposing your ignorance with your personal shots
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If you think this country is not miles away from Christianity than in the 80's I seriously doubt your claim. If you think too many evangelicals are the problem in our government i really doubt your claim.

Edit:. And I'll add if you think all those things I posted aren't true about the Republican platform then I don't know where you get your news but I can promise you it's left wing propaganda and fake.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If you think this country is not miles away from Christianity than in the 80's I seriously doubt your claim. If you think too many evangelicals are the problem in our government i really doubt your claim.
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I never said that evangelicals are the problem with our government. Doubt my claim about what? Being a Christian? LOL......
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Nope. Likely older than you. Compare the Republican platform from the 80s- early 90s to what it has been the last couple of decades.

It's true
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I sincerely hope you will post how the Rs moved further right. I am not being argumentative. I am curious which are further right compared to 30-40 years ago.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I'm a Christian, so you have no idea WTF you're talking about and I don't watch CNN. Thanks for exposing your ignorance with your personal shots. You're right about the evangelicals. They are miles away from where they were 40 years ago. They're being led by a bunch of hypocrites now
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I agree with ohiovol..... you are the problem.... JK
 
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n_huffhines said:
I voted it's the worst poll simply because there wasn't an option for "unaffiliated". It's not really the worst poll ever.
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Yeah. I was only thinking of where each person is now relative to their party. I wasn't thinking of unaffiliated or independent voters.

Perhaps, that would be interesting to hear how those of you who were, and remain, independent see the movement of the parties (if any)?
 
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McDad said:
what ideals do you have which are not found in the main parties?
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I feel like I'm close to Libertarian, but maybe I want a tiny bit more of government reach than true Libertarianism. For instance, I think the Flint water crisis merits federal intervention. I also think there are people smart enough to use federal resources to a minimal extent while successfully resolving the issue.

To be honest, I'm still trying to figure some things out. It's obvious to me that I'm not squarely fitting in anywhere, and I feel like it would be a concession to endorse a candidate or party I don't 100% believe in.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I feel like I'm close to Libertarian, but maybe I want a tiny bit more of government reach than true Libertarianism. For instance, I think the Flint water crisis merits federal intervention. I also think there are people smart enough to use federal resources to a minimal extent while successfully resolving the issue.

To be honest, I'm still trying to figure some things out. It's obvious to me that I'm not squarely fitting in anywhere, and I feel like it would be a concession to endorse a candidate or party I don't 100% believe in.
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Hopefully I am corrected if I am off base, but I think many Libertarians (maybe even a vocal sect of libertarians) favor stronger government on water and air cleanliness.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I feel like I'm close to Libertarian, but maybe I want a tiny bit more of government reach than true Libertarianism. For instance, I think the Flint water crisis merits federal intervention. I also think there are people smart enough to use federal resources to a minimal extent while successfully resolving the issue.

To be honest, I'm still trying to figure some things out. It's obvious to me that I'm not squarely fitting in anywhere, and I feel like it would be a concession to endorse a candidate or party I don't 100% believe in.
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Good post...but you and all of us better figure out our litmus tests. The only candidate that you will agree with 100% is yourself.
 
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#90
I think I realized the other day part of the reason I am voting for tump besides liking his policies much better.... I feel trump is the same person as a politician as he is on the golf course... at the job site.... around his friends or family.... the overwhelming majority of other politicians on both sides seem so absolutely fake to me.
 
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Evangelicals have always been evangelicals. It just wasn't until the 80s that they coalesced their political power behind a particular party. Until the Republican Party was able to bring them into the fold, their vote was typically split.
 
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Actually, how do I pick that I was purely an economic voter until the latest round of bullcrap?
 
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McDad said:
Yeah. I was only thinking of where each person is now relative to their party. I wasn't thinking of unaffiliated or independent voters.

Perhaps, that would be interesting to hear how those of you who were, and remain, independent see the movement of the parties (if any)?
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IDK as much about the left because I know far fewer people with those leanings, but I think a lot of the same stuff is going on in both parties. I doubt most people feel like their party/candidate has "mostly left them" but I also feel like most aren't content at all with the status of their parties. So it's kind of a mix of two of your options. They are, say, 65% satisfied with the party, strongly yearning for a party that gives them 90% satisfaction, but they're never going to jump ship because they are too scared of the other major party winning.

What is happening with Republicans is unique because the landscape of the party of Trump is completely different than it looked 5 years ago and it will likely look completely different in 1-5 years. I don't think he's fundamentally changed the party, and when he peters out, so will a lot of the people he brought in and the people he chased off will come back.
 
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05_never_again said:
Evangelicals have always been evangelicals. It just wasn't until the 80s that they coalesced their political power behind a particular party. Until the Republican Party was able to bring them into the fold, their vote was typically split.
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abortion was the catalyst for coalescing?
 
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McDad said:
Hopefully I am corrected if I am off base, but I think many Libertarians (maybe even a vocal sect of libertarians) favor stronger government on water and air cleanliness.
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This is just my personal anecdotal experience, but I have a couple friends who I respect the hell out of even though they lean very heavily to the left. Their beef with Libertarianism is that they are so engulfed with the idea of small government, that they would basically ignore humanitarian crises. And of course this spills into social issues.

I don't want to get carried away with the Flint example, but I bring it up because a meme was made about this exact topic regarding libertarianism. I hate to say it, but I do think it makes a valid point.
 
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Orangeburst said:
"Catalyst you say?"- @RavinDave
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It was a slow day for catalysts today. Only thing going on besides hauling off some old light fixtures to the scrap metal yard, and an hour on the mower, was a guy from Stanford (who had bought a small drum of catalyst in 2011) doing some consulting at the IBM center in Palo Alto who needs a few kg of copper catalyst to refurbish a couple of old gloveboxes. But I like that kind of business.
 
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RavinDave said:
It was a slow day for catalysts today. Only thing going on besides hauling off some old light fixtures to the scrap metal yard, and an hour on the mower, was a guy from Stanford (who had bought a small drum of catalyst in 2011) doing some consulting at the IBM center in Palo Alto who needs a few kg of copper catalyst to refurbish a couple of old gloveboxes. But I like that kind of business.
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I like the stories of what people do and make as the most fun of business, and providing a solution...I know corny.
 
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