I admit it. I don’t like having Missouri in the SEC

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Freak said:
It’s probably a get off my lawn moment, but I liked the league better when there were 12 teams. Who’s with me?
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Freak, I agree with you, but it's almost like having a breather game (in most years) that means something but also has no relevance. MZ got into the league when they were hot and for them to sustain play at a real SEC level is not plausible. There are balanced pros and cons to this quandary.
 
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Personally, I honestly don't understand how Mizzou and TXAM fit into the "Southeastern Conference". There were a number of better geographical choices. Mississippi River to the West, Kentucky to the North, and water to the East and South. Those are the "SEC Borders". There had to be two other programs out there who were better choices. Should not have been all that tough to find two of them who wanted the SEC exposure, reputation, recruiting strength, and money. All huge draws.

And yet, we ended up with two teams who, IMO, have no business in...or any connection to...the "Southeast".

Like Notre Dame in the ACC. South Bend is how many miles from the nearest ACC state that borders the Atlantic Coast?

Money. It screws everything up.

Go Vols.
 
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amishvol said:
West Virginia would fit in well with the rest of the SEC.
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Other than Louisville, WVU was the other team that moved around in that conference shuffling between 2012 and 2014 that I would have liked to seen.

Would have been a good fit into the East, has a great fanbase, has a rich history, and would have opened up the recruiting into WV, PA, Washington DC, and Ohio even more.
 
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wtmvol said:
They don’t fit in with the rest of the conference at all. I don’t mind having 14 teams, and A&M was a nice addition, but Missouri doesn’t add much of anything. It’s a pro sports state with a culture that just doesn’t mesh with the rest of the league.
VA Tech would have been a much better selection as their footprint stretches across central VA to the fertile tidewater region and up towards DC. I can’t stand the Hokies, so I’m kind of glad that didn’t pan out.
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I haven't liked them since the whole "we're not gonna play unless the President resigns" ultimatum, and the f'g coaching staff backed them. To this day, there has been no confirmation that any racial incident even happened at Mizzou, and yet you had half the student body sitting in "healing centers" trying to heal from the horrible.... what exactly? It's the weirdest and most inexplicable thing I've ever seen happen on a college campus. Next level cringe!!!!
 
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I don’t care for the Zoo being in the SEC either......it’s a no win situation. You win....so what......you lose.....oh crap.

West Virginia would have been a better pull.....especially at the time.
 
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Agreed! Missouri doesn’t match the SEC in geography or southern culture. They just don’t fit.
 
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Freak said:
It’s probably a get off my lawn moment, but I liked the league better when there were 12 teams. Who’s with me?
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I agree. Was super pissed when we went to 14 teams. And having Mizzou as one of the two additional teams made the decision even worse.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
No offense man, but Memphis should never be allowed close to our conference. Tennessee and Vandy would block that in a heartbeat and Memphis adds zero monetary value to the conference.
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No offense taken, because I am not a Memphis fan. Bye the way Ole Miss would also holler loudly against Memphis. But just the same, Memphis is a lot better fit than Mo. Like it or not Memphis is a big market, big school (as is Middle Tn. St. a big school, biggest in state). Memphis does have the facilities that accommodate SEC type crowds. They do seem to be in trouble with the NCAA a lot, but so are most SEC schools. Just saying, it may be time to look hard at them. I would be for replacing Mo. with them in a heartbeat.
 
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HARTUPM said:
Quite a few of those Florida-yankees get tired of the hurricanes, cost of living etc., move to TN and become halfbacks.
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I thought most of the halfbacks ended up in North and South Carolina. You know, still near the beach, just with less oppressive heat. :)
 
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savannahfan said:
No offense taken, because I am not a Memphis fan. Bye the way Ole Miss would also holler loudly against Memphis. But just the same, Memphis is a lot better fit than Mo. Like it or not Memphis is a big market, big school (as is Middle Tn. St. a big school, biggest in state). Memphis does have the facilities that accommodate SEC type crowds. They do seem to be in trouble with the NCAA a lot, but so are most SEC schools. Just saying, it may be time to look hard at them. I would be for replacing Mo. with them in a heartbeat.
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I think my point, other than the fact that I don’t like Memphis, is that they don’t expand the TV footprint. Memphis is a good sized market, but how many of those residents are already watching SEC games? I’m guessing a pretty good amount. You’re right Ole Miss would definitely not support them joining the league and neither would Miss. State. The biggest impact that would be felt would definitely be in recruiting . No SEC schools want to see elite Memphis athletes stay in Memphis.

I do think if the Big XII ever decided to expand that Memphis would be a likely target, especially if Texas would get over their fake academic crap. They let West Virginia in right?
 
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savannahfan said:
No offense taken, because I am not a Memphis fan. Bye the way Ole Miss would also holler loudly against Memphis. But just the same, Memphis is a lot better fit than Mo. Like it or not Memphis is a big market, big school (as is Middle Tn. St. a big school, biggest in state). Memphis does have the facilities that accommodate SEC type crowds. They do seem to be in trouble with the NCAA a lot, but so are most SEC schools. Just saying, it may be time to look hard at them. I would be for replacing Mo. with them in a heartbeat.
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Nah.... It isn't time to look too hard at Memphis.

I've got a soft spot for them and unless they're playing UT I generally pull for them, but they just aren't SEC material.

Maybe if Ryan Silverfield works out as HC then I'll have to eat my words and admit they've got staying power as a yearly AAC competitor. As it is, successfully replacing Fuentes with Norvell was unprecedented for Tiger high. Generally for every successful coach they have, they stumble into oblivion during coaching transitions.

Between Arkansas, Ole Miss, & Miss St all upgrading their coaching staff's, I'll be a little surprised if Memphis can keep their talent level 2-3 years from now. Generally they live & die off 2-3* recruiting gems & pulling guys on the fringe of SEC radars.

I've never been to that rock pile Missouri set up bleachers around, but Memphis plays off-campus at Liberty Bowl stadium. That stadiums getting up there in years & I doubt it can be modernized anymore. It's had a few upgrades over the years.

Other than basketball, there isn't anything clearly SEC worthy about University of Memphis.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
do think if the Big XII ever decided to expand that Memphis would be a likely target, especially if Texas would get over their fake academic crap. They let West Virginia in right?
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Now that I can possibly see.

I can't help but think playing in the SEC would be subtraction by addition for Memphis. They just don't have the tradition or the pedigree for SEC, or even the Big-10 for that matter, but I'd give them a punchers chance of maintaining upward trajectory and competing in the BIG XII.
 
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WillisWG said:
12 teams 9 SEC games
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Sixteen teams. Seven division games. Let the rivalry games be OOC so they do not create an unfair advantage due to the quality of cross-divisional opponents. Even if UT were at a very good place as a program, there would still be a huge disadvantage in having to play Bama every year as opposed to Auburn and LSU who are both more up and down.

The SEC could continue to schedule two cross-divisional games for each team with them not counting against a team's divisional record.
 
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LittleVol said:
I used to love the Big 12. It was one of the strongest conferences in the 1990s

Really wish Nebraska and Mizzou went back. Bring Maryland into the SEC
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I was on a business trip to visit a couple of clients (Texas A&M & Kansas Univ) when the whole BIG-12 coming apart at the seams took place. It was really interesting listening to all the news stories about the SEC and PAC-12 raiding the conference as well as having top people at those universities sharing stories about the break up with me.

Two things stuck out. At A&M the athletic dept wanted to join the SEC and the academics wanted to join the PAC-12. The second thing was Texas and the Texas sports network and how revenues would be shared or not... The result was Texas basically got to keep it's network and revenues as an incentive to not join the PAC-12. This made Texas the "big kid on the block" relative to the rest off the conference.
 
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