Toughest challenge in UT history? (Qb)

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Devo182 said:
Bray merely started his FR campaign with little ole UGA, Bama, then ranked USCe. 143 qbr and 8.3 YPA (!!) 18 TDs and 10 picks.

Dude was a stud from day 1. Don't see that often.
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What was their rank and was that in order?
 
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Devo182 said:
Yeah in order. Idk top 25 type teams, probably top 15 defenses.
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So at this point no one has been able to remember or find anyone that faced two teams #3 or above for any freshman qb within his first 4 starts. That’s what I’m looking for
 
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Neyland123 said:
No his first start was Florida and I was there. It rained the whole game. He played before that Florida game but didn’t start.
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I was thinking Todd Helton was the starter after Colquitt's injury til he was injured. I remember Helton against Ga. in '94. I wasn't at the Fla game and not saying you are wrong. Just remember what a cluster it was til Manning and Stewart got their sea legs. That team would have been great if not for Colquitt's knee (ACL) against UCLA.
 
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TNbuc2 said:
I was thinking Todd Helton was the starter after Colquitt's injury til he was injured. I remember Helton against Ga. in '94. I wasn't at the Fla game and not saying you are wrong. Just remember what a cluster it was til Manning and Stewart got their sea legs. That team would have been great if not for Colquitt's knee (ACL) against UCLA.
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Yes Colquitt getting hurt killed us that year. We had a good team. Yes Helton started after Colquitt injury. He wasn’t as good a QB as he was a baseball player. Peyton wasn’t quite ready for the way that season started out but he learned alots.
 
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I don’t know if you’ve heard of a QB named Peyton Manning (played at UT in the early 90s), but he started as a true freshman.
 
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TNbuc2 said:
I was thinking Todd Helton was the starter after Colquitt's injury til he was injured. I remember Helton against Ga. in '94. I wasn't at the Fla game and not saying you are wrong. Just remember what a cluster it was til Manning and Stewart got their sea legs. That team would have been great if not for Colquitt's knee (ACL) against UCLA.
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Helton started the Fla game (I was there), but he got hurt. Manning started the next game.
 
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Neyland123 said:
Peyton first star was against #1 ranked Florida. It wasn’t good we lost 31-0
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Helton started that game. Manning’s first start was vs Wash St I believe. He later started against ranked Alabama.

Ainge May have started again Florida in 2004 or it may have been Schaffer. He did start against a ranked Ga team in 2004 in Athens and kicked that ass!
 
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Neyland123 said:
Peyton first star was against #1 ranked Florida. It wasn’t good we lost 31-0
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No it wasn't. His first start was a win against Washington st.

In his first start, the following week against Washington State, the Vols won 10–9. They won all but one of their remaining games, finishing the season 8–4 with a 45–23 victory over Virginia Tech in the 1994 Gator Bowl. He finished his first collegiate season 89 of 144 for 1,141 passing yards, 11 touchdowns, and six interceptions
 
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EZE said:
I don’t know if you’ve heard of a QB named Peyton Manning (played at UT in the early 90s), but he started as a true freshman.
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Peyton is my favorite qb of all time. The way he could beat you with his mind was incredible. But I’m only looking for freshman qbs first 4 starts. I’m hoping to find one that faced the #1 team and the # 2 or 3 team of his freshman year within those first 4. I’m thinking it’s never happened before.
 
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Maurer's completion vs interception ratio is terrible is why he does not start. And a lot of his incomplete passes were thrown into double coverage and he got lucky they were not ints. He has a lot of improvement to make before he sees the field for any extended time. ITs not just the teams he has faced.
 
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1vol8 said:
Peyton is my favorite qb of all time. The way he could beat you with his mind was incredible. But I’m only looking for freshman qbs first 4 starts. I’m hoping to find one that faced the #1 team and the # 2 or 3 team of his freshman year within those first 4. I’m thinking it’s never happened before.
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1vol8 said:
From what I seen he was a bad mo fo! He did well in all his games. Made some freshman mistakes, multiple in some games But nevertheless still looking for someone that played higher than #3 within his first 4 starts as a freshman. I feel this is significant info if true that Maurer had the toughest in UT history. If it’s true then I think it’s fair to understand his overall stat line and some of us should cut the kid some slack.
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There we have it. This was a whole setup for excuse making.

No decent freshman qb has ever been as inaccurate as BM. Dobbs, JG and several other freshman qbs all played multiple ranked teams their freshman year.

He was fourth from the bottom in the SEC for accuracy last year for passes thrown/ball placement.

Experience would help. Some accuracy and better decision making would help even more.
 
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GAVol said:
The caveat might be that he may not have taken the 1st snap of the game in a game or two. I know Brent Schaeffer got on the field first in the opener. Still, EA probably played a majority of the snaps in those games.
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Yeah that was not a classic case.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Maurer's completion vs interception ratio is terrible is why he does not start. And a lot of his incomplete passes were thrown into double coverage and he got lucky they were not ints. He has a lot of improvement to make before he sees the field for any extended time. ITs not just the teams he has faced.
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He looked like the typical Fr that isnt ready as soon as he walks on campus. Very few are.

The fact he got the chance 3 straight games (and later in the bowl game) tells you what kind of shape we were in at the position last year.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Maurer's completion vs interception ratio is terrible is why he does not start. And a lot of his incomplete passes were thrown into double coverage and he got lucky they were not ints. He has a lot of improvement to make before he sees the field for any extended time. ITs not just the teams he has faced.
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I’m not trying to turn this into a debate but nearly every dbl coverage pass he threw were all games he wasn’t prepared to play in and came in in relief of JG. But those are the ones people seem to remember (UF, IU). The only game in which he WAS prepared and he forced passes was MSU. He didn’t force anything vs UGA, Alabama. Now that I think about it he did force one to JJ early vs UK but settled down on that afterwards. This is the classic case of people. We can do something right 1000 times but you’ll be remembered for the ONE time you did something wrong. He made mistakes and he got away with a few but acting as if it were habit is a false narrative.
 
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k-town_king said:
There we have it. This was a whole setup for excuse making.

No decent freshman qb has ever been as inaccurate as BM. Dobbs, JG and several other freshman qbs all played multiple ranked teams their freshman year.

He was fourth from the bottom in the SEC for accuracy last year for passes thrown/ball placement.

Experience would help. Some accuracy and better decision making would help even more.
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This is not a set up for an excuse. When have I ever said he didn’t make freshman mistakes? This is exactly what I said it is. So far he had to face the toughest first 4 game stretch in UT history as a unready true freshman until someone can remember or knows otherwise.

And once again.... accuracy is NOT A STAT! It can’t be stated! The stats only show balls caught or not. This is why you gotta use your eyes k town. This is why there is thread after thread post USCe talking about JGs accuracy yet he was 61%! Because people WATCH.
 
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OHvol40 said:
If JG plays the entire year this year it will clearly be the toughest schedule of any UT QB in modern history.
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You’re absolutely right. And if JG were a freshman this year the case would be closed. However he IS a 5th year senior. He should be able to handle it.
 
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1vol8 said:
This is not a set up for an excuse. When have I ever said he didn’t make freshman mistakes? This is exactly what I said it is. So far he had to face the toughest first 4 game stretch in UT history as a unready true freshman until someone can remember or knows otherwise.

And once again.... accuracy is NOT A STAT! It can’t be stated! The stats only show balls caught or not. This is why you gotta use your eyes k town. This is why there is thread after thread post USCe talking about JGs accuracy yet he was 61%! Because people WATCH.
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Yes SECSTATCAT has an accuracy stat. They do it like PFF. Judge accuracy regardless of pass completion.

BM was only accurate on 44% of his passes while completing 46%.

This years JG is completing 61% but has been accurate of 58% of his passes.

BM was fourth from the bottom. In ACCURACY.
 
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1vol8 said:
So at this point no one has been able to remember or find anyone that faced two teams #3 or above for any freshman qb within his first 4 starts. That’s what I’m looking for
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Oh I have no idea, was just stating some really great freshman performances. Bray's entire FR campaign was really solid!
 
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k-town_king said:
Yes SECSTATCAT has an accuracy stat. They do it like PFF. Judge accuracy regardless of pass completion.

BM was only accurate on 44% of his passes while completing 46%.

This years JG is completing 61% but has been accurate of 58% of his passes.

BM was fourth from the bottom. In ACCURACY.
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Giving a like on the accuracy stuff by statcat and pff. I would give BM's accuracy a sad teary emoji. Hope he can improve.
 
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1vol8 said:
You’re absolutely right. And if JG were a freshman this year the case would be closed. However he IS a 5th year senior. He should be able to handle it.
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Right. We’re lucky we don’t have to rely on a true freshman this year. That would be brutal, at least to start the year. Depth means more in the SEC this year.
 
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