Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[pierce60]

This dude is insane, but I love having him in the SEC now....

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Probably true, but at some point JG needs to take ownership of the situation and hit WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS. Vols should have defeated little SC by 3 touchdowns. Great players make plays. Poor players make excuses.

Funny you say that considering JG took all of the blame and said he needs to do better and that he is going to fix it.....

 

[UTProf]

If JG cleans up the overthrows he is going to have a great year because our receivers were wide open all night against a solid secondary. Palmer looks like the real deal.

That is why people are so mad at JG. The WRs were open all night he had plenty of time. He just threw poorly. He made the right decisions , when he was target it was a thing of beauty but we don't get that often. And that kind of performance made him a liability despite the improvement everywhere else. If he fixes that and holds onto the progress he’s made elsewhere he might turn into the QB we want and need. But he lost leeway a long time ago. But you simply can’t havre an that can’t hit eid open wrs more consistently.

TLDR ~ He has to he able to deliver the ball. We should’ve won by a blowout.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

JG showed excellent decision making. He missed guys that were wide open. The thing is, he had all the time in the world and still missed them. He didn't seem to be under pressure very much. In the past, he use to hold the ball too long and wait for receivers to get open. We will have to see what happens when they aren't wide open and he has pressure on him. Does he go back to previous form? At least he seemed to be going to the correct targets though.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Oh look more JG hating...

Here's the thing, I've been watching the Vols for nearly 3 decades, some of you I'm sure have watched even longer. Other than Peyton Manning & Casey Clausen can you really name a QB who wasn't having similar inconsistency issues? For whatever reason we've not historically put out elite passers.

Dobbs was a tremendous threat with his legs best we've had. Tee was a wildcard and helped do enough we won a championship, but he was hella inconsistent especially the senior season people completely forget about.

Bray, Ainge headcases...

Heath had one really solid season his junior year, but even that 2nd in Heisman voting season was sub 2400 yards passing with 25 TDs. (something Dobbs surpassed in his senior year here while also rushing for over 800)

 

[Nuctech777]

1-12 on 3rd down folks. The one we did convert was bc Johnson made a beautiful circus catch. That has to improve, period. We had people out and limited practice opportunities. I’m not sure what I was expecting but we got the win. This week will be a better barometer of where we are. We will have some guys back and will have more reps under our belt.

 

[BruinVol]

JG showed excellent decision making. He missed guys that were wide open. The thing is, he had all the time in the world and still missed them. He didn't seem to be under pressure very much. In the past, he use to hold the ball too long and wait for receivers to get open. We will have to see what happens when they aren't wide open and he has pressure on him. Does he go back to previous form? At least he seemed to be going to the correct targets though.

I went back and watched all the 3rd downs yesterday and was pressured in 6/9. The six incompletions he was pressured 4/6

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Probably true, but at some point JG needs to take ownership of the situation and hit WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS. Vols should have defeated little SC by 3 touchdowns. Great players make plays. Poor players make excuses.

Well, when has JG really made excuses though? Dude always seems to take ownership, short of some media related narratives, his dad mouthing off or fans putting words in his mouth I can't recall anything HE said that I thought was making an excuse.

 

[BruinVol]

Well, when has JG really make excuses though? Dude always seems to take ownership, short of some media related narratives, his dad mouthing off or fans putting words in his mouth I can't recall anything HE said that I thought was making an excuse.

Posters already have their minds made up. I read a post yesterday where the poster evidenced the go ahead TD celebration by JG as evidence that he has a bad attitude. Reminded me of the complaints about his body language at vol walks last year. Many are just biased by hate.

 

[zhangliao04]

at the risk of starting someting i don't want to...i agree.

the biggest factor for him Saturday night was he didn't turn the ball over. the bad news about the over throws was that ourWR had no chance to catch the ball.

the good news...neither did anyone else.

ande he did complete a swing pass....though i think we tried to drop it lol.

i need to see more from JG. he does need to start making the connection on the down field throws, he needs to be on time with the delivery, and he needs to quit sailing the ball.

if he can improve there, then he goes from what looks like a serviceable qb presently to a pretty damn good one.

i'll put it this way, what JG was able to do Saturda night wasn't bad at all. in essence, he had a "good" game statisically. the issue is what he didn't do....which is what kept the game from being a comfortabel 2+ score win, and provided USCe the opportunity to possibly steal the game late.. they took the ball out of his hands at the most critical time of the game, and were willing to put the game in the ST and Defense's hands. that told me something, at least for that game.

plenty of time to change that perception or narrative tho.... i hope he does, i'm rooting for him. i respect the heck of the kid as a competitor and a tough guy. i just wish he could have a redemption type season and go out with a bang.....win some big games, go to a great bowl game....and change the story on what has been his career so far at UT.

After 22 throws I looked over at my buddy who I was watching the game with and said, "If JG was on point with all of his throws then he is 21-22 right now. I agree, he didn't allow the other team's DBs to have the ability to catch the ball. Actually, a lot of those misses were where the WR was open. I don't know if that means great things about our offense or bad things about the USC defense (most likely some of both), but that gave me the feels during the game thinking we finally have WRs getting open in space and having the chance for YAC instead of having a DB dropped all over them during the catch every single time.

And I'm with you, I want the best for the kid. We won't sugar coat the truth, but I honestly root for that guy to succeed more so than any other player on the team. Trey Smith included (because he already is going to the NFL).

I'd be curious to know what the coaches thoughts are on JGs performance this past weekend. Besides the fact we went 1-12 on 3rd downs. That's an obvious. I'm talking more do they think he has improved? If so, how much? Where has he improved? Basically "did he perform better than you expected and are you hopeful".

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I mean don't get be wrong JG isn't elite. He's really middle of the pack even in the SEC at QB.

But as bad as Tee was we were still able to go 13-0 and Pruitt's building an Alabama like model here...so a game manager should be plenty for us to win going away against subpar talent. This wasn't a normal opening day game, with COVID hitting us so hard and just simply having new pieces with less experience in/out all night on the road to open the SEC against a new OC & QB (who btw had 4 years together before Saturday night) I'd say overall I'm happy.

Probably 6-8 just bad passes, but none were turnovers and I think of those bad passes maybe 1 or 2 was even remotely close to a potential INT, if that. We needed better OL play in the first half, our rushing numbers were trash until we had USC gassed in the 2nd half and Chaney made it a point to force the issue. Exciting thing is we still won and looked far better than we did the first few weeks last season.

 

[WarMachine]

Get HB up to speed. Can't wait.

 

[delfonic]

You can count on one hand how many olineman in the country are as good as Trey.

Only if you've had a freak table saw accident.

 

[LoudOrange]

Only if you've had a freak table saw accident.

Well done.

 

[bigorange]

1-12 on 3rd down folks. The one we did convert was bc Johnson made a beautiful circus catch. That has to improve, period. We had people out and limited practice opportunities. I’m not sure what I was expecting but we got the win. This week will be a better barometer of where we are. We will have some guys back and will have more reps under our belt.

1-11 on third down is obviously an awful stat, but how many of those were passes? I believe 5 of those were runs if I'm not mistaken. We also moved the chains pretty good on 1st and 2nd down but I don't see many giving JG any credit for those. I think there were 13 first downs gained with passing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not a JG apologist in the least, I'm just saying he wasn't as awful as people like to make him out to be. He's far from perfect of course, but he's far from Nate Peterman playing at the swamp too.

In no way am I comparing the two, but you know who is pretty known for overthrowing receivers and sailing passes too? Cam Newton. And he's played in a superbowl and is currently the starting QB for the freaking Patriots.

I like that JG is getting credit for making the right decisions in Columbia, because he certainly did. Didn't turn the ball over, and didn't look like a deer in headlights either. I'll take that as progress, especially considering there wasn't spring ball and limited fall camp as well...and of course losing your two go-to WR's in Jennings and Calloway.

The future is bright. GBO!

 

[BaldBiker]

I thought you were older than me! I went to hs from '73-'77. We had a smoking area as well. The music during that time was the greatest ever.

I started hs the year after you graduated.

 

[Type Orange+]

Lol my family came through Scotland to Ireland to Virginia to East Tennessee to Middle Tennessee so you're not better than me.

Many relatives of my Ulster Scots ancestors went to Middle and West Tennessee and on into Missouri and Texas.
Some even ended up as far west as California.

The Red Hand is everywhere.

 

[Catbone]

Will JG start every game this year and if not who and when does the next starter play?

 

[BruinVol]

1-11 on third down is obviously an awful stat, but how many of those were passes? I believe 5 of those were runs if I'm not mistaken. We also moved the chains pretty good on 1st and 2nd down but I don't see many giving JG any credit for those. I think there were 13 first downs gained with passing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not a JG apologist in the least, I'm just saying he wasn't as awful as people like to make him out to be. He's far from perfect of course, but he's far from Nate Peterman playing at the swamp too.

In no way am I comparing the two, but you know who is pretty known for overthrowing receivers and sailing passes too? Cam Newton. And he's played in a superbowl and is currently the starting QB for the freaking Patriots.

I like that JG is getting credit for making the right decisions in Columbia, because he certainly did. Didn't turn the ball over, and didn't look like a deer in headlights either. I'll take that as progress, especially considering there wasn't spring ball and limited fall camp as well...and of course losing your two go-to WR's in Jennings and Calloway.

The future is bright. GBO!

Only 2-3 were runs and that was the problem

we had a bunch of 3rd and 2-3 yards and kept passing it. It should be 50/50 on those imo

 

[Paper_Towel]

Most any song written can be rearranged and played in different genres, and with different tempos, but the basic written composition, the chord pattern, of the song remains the same. Just using Zeppelin as an example, Plant has re-recorded number of Zeppelin's blues-based songs here and there overe the years in his later solo recordings and when he has been with different post-Zeppelin groups (Band of Joy, Strange Sensations, Sensational Spaceshifters, etc.), playing different genres, bluegrass/hillbilly, world music, Americana, etc., and while each song is completely rearranged from the original, the base chord progression is still there. That's all I meant. I can easily pick the song's structure out as I listen to the MSU song, especially towards the end when the talking stops and you can listen to the beat.

But you literally said it was Black Sail's theme when it wasn't.

 

[bigorange]

Also, I've seen a few on here mention that we should've run more against SC. I agree. But I also wonder if that was Pruitt and Chaney trying to get more passing reps for the O since camp was limited and we didn't have any OOC warm-up games. I felt like we outplayed SC the majority of the game and at no time did I feel really threatened that they would take the game over, so maybe the coaches felt the same way and just wanted to get more passing practice in while facing a live defense. I dunno.

 

[Nuctech777]

1-11 on third down is obviously an awful stat, but how many of those were passes? I believe 5 of those were runs if I'm not mistaken. We also moved the chains pretty good on 1st and 2nd down but I don't see many giving JG any credit for those. I think there were 13 first downs gained with passing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not a JG apologist in the least, I'm just saying he wasn't as awful as people like to make him out to be. He's far from perfect of course, but he's far from Nate Peterman playing at the swamp too.

In no way am I comparing the two, but you know who is pretty known for overthrowing receivers and sailing passes too? Cam Newton. And he's played in a superbowl and is currently the starting QB for the freaking Patriots.

I like that JG is getting credit for making the right decisions in Columbia, because he certainly did. Didn't turn the ball over, and didn't look like a deer in headlights either. I'll take that as progress, especially considering there wasn't spring ball and limited fall camp as well...and of course losing your two go-to WR's in Jennings and Calloway.

The future is bright. GBO!

I never once mentioned JG. My post was about the team as a whole. Only a JG apologist takes what I said and turns it in to a post about him.

 

[bigorange]

I never once mentioned JG. My post was about the team as a whole. Only a JG apologist takes what I said and turns it in to a post about him.

I quoted your post to reference the third down percentage. And everyone has been discussing JG's performance saturday so my post wasn't directed towards you. But you seem kinda agitated, is everything ok at home?

 

[BaldBiker]

One if mine was killed by Indians (that's what they called them in the stories handed down) at an uprising called Ten Springs which is near Nashville now. His sons survived...I am glad!

Also had family killed near Nashville. Battlecreek massacre.

 

[pierce60]

SIAP....but ugh!!!