Biggest Liability ... it’s not QB

#28
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dcm3w said:
I think the secondary will be fine after it gets enough reps. Our LBs in coverage are a concern
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I really don't understand how our lbs and Slaughter were matching up on Shi over the middle. Bobo must have seen something on film to create those mismatches. We were playing a lot more zone than we usually do.
 
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Agree if the defense doesn't improve, it will matter little who is playing QB. I was so thankful that SC did not get the ball back with that punt. Pretty sure they would have scored as they did more stopping themselves than our defense stopping them in the second half.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Wrong : 3rd down conversion is #1
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Re read my post.
I wasn't listing what I thought was #1, just responding to the post I quoted.

The defense played well in the first half. They scored as many points as SC did. After that they didn't play well in the 2nd half.
Yes, 3rd down offense was bad last nite.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Re read my post.
I wasn't listing what I thought was #1, just responding to the post I quoted.

The defense played well in the first half. They scored as many points as SC did. After that they didn't play well in the 2nd half.
Yes, 3rd down offense was bad last nite.
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I didn't mean to come across ugly, but I felt 3rd Down conversions is something we should focus on hard this week. The secondary was making me crazy, but the youth was present. SS needs to be better and reacting to the slot.
 
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South Carolina found a mismatch they could exploit, but the secondary was otherwise lights out. Alontae Taylor stood out to me. He was all over the field. No, quarterback play was absolutely the biggest problem last night. In addition to sailing a handful of passes, Guarantano bobbled a couple snaps that led to negative runs for Gray. Last night was only close because the passing game was off.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Wrong : 3rd down conversion is #1
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Yep funny thing about getting 3rd down conversions . It helps your defense . Why ? because they are on the bench resting and you're driving for a TD and their O dont have the ball. If you get a few more 3rd down conversions the whole game story line changes. It's as simple as that TOP time of possession is a great tool for your D. This could have been a 2 to 3 TD victory if we had converted some that were there..
 
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Shamburger, Theo Jackson, and McCullough will all hopefully be back soon. The secondary goes from suspect, to very good as soon as that happens. Slaughter doesn't have the experience, Kenneth George should just be a dime guy, Thompson isn't a safety. A lot of things went wrong for us, but personel wise, we will be fine soon hopefully.

Not all on them though, as the linebackers were also bad in coverage. Aaron Beasley being a former safety might help some if he gets any run. Crouch was the worst among them, but Henry T wasn't that much better (interception aside). Banks did really well at covering those tunnel screens they tried to run.
 
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Smokefatty said:
Yes, he and Slaughter took turns getting toasted by Shi Smith. I was hoping they would put Taylor on him or bring B. Thompson back to CB to match up with him.
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They finally did move Thompson back to CB in the 4th quarter, when McCullough came in. I thought we looked much better when that happened.
 
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Sp4nk3yGuffm4n said:
Maybe, but we had several key players out and others playing out of position because of it so let's see how they look with everyone back.
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Fans cannot look at this as a normal football season. COVID makes this more like some Milton-Bradley board game, where each gameday you roll the dice to see who on the depth chart won't be playing. Maybe if we're still playing in January, there will be teams who "have everyone back."

Of those who get the disease, most will have no symptoms but still be out (and limited on their conditioning) for at least 14 days.

But the biggest roll of the dice is that some players have lung issues for weeks after being cleared to play, even though they had minor-to-no symptoms. We're seeing this with high school players, finding it painful to take deep breaths weeks after they're SARS CoV-19 free.

Gameday rosters are gonna be a crapshoot for every team this season. And because of HIPAA, fans won't know the why. Coaches will simply announce at gametime whose dice came up good to go.
 
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PC Jr. said:
IMO, the secondary is the biggest are of concern right now. They didn’t play well and it wasn’t that the didn’t understand the scheme or responsibilities. They lacked awareness in coverage and some physical ability (Speed, making tackles, strength). These are long term issues that will cause huge issues against good offenses.

remember, the offense (and Henry T) scored 31 points. That should good enough to win several games with solid defensive play.
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The offense scored 24 points. Henry T scored 6. Minus his pick 6, UT got outscored 27-24.

QB play is by far our biggest concern, and potential liability. As it has been since JG took his first snap as the starting QB at UT. It is what it is.

There were flashes of brilliance and times of pure head-scratching on both sides of the ball yesterday, as should be expected given all that this team has been through over the past 7 months. The one constant...going on what, four years now?...where we saw the exact same thing we have seen from the beginning...was the play of Guarantano. He's either "on", or "off". There is no middle ground with him.

Love his heart. Love his grit. But he has peaked, and the rest of the team, IMO, has passed him by at this point. It concerns me that, apparently, he's the best we've got right now. I don't foresee that being the issue next year. So for 2020, I have modest expectations at best for UT Football.

Go Vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
The offense scored 24 points. Henry T scored 6. Minus his pick 6, UT got outscored 27-24.

QB play is by far our biggest concern, and potential liability. As it has been since JG took his first snap as the starting QB at UT. It is what it is.

There were flashes of brilliance and times of pure head-scratching on both sides of the ball yesterday, as should be expected given all that this team has been through over the past 7 months. The one constant...going on what, four years now?...where we saw the exact same thing we have seen from the beginning...was the play of Guarantano. He's either "on", or "off". There is no middle ground with him.

Love his heart. Love his grit. But he has peaked, and the rest of the team, IMO, has passed him by at this point. It concerns me that, apparently, he's the best we've got right now. I don't foresee that being the issue next year. So for 2020, I have modest expectations at best for UT Football.

Go Vols.
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If 19-31 for 260 with 2 total TDs and 0 ints is his bad as all you say he played then we've got lots to look forward too then. Saying there is no middle ground with JG isn't a fair assessment I feel. Saying he's inconsistent is fine, acting like he's incapable is asenine I feel.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
If 19-31 for 260 with 2 total TDs and 0 ints is his bad as all you say he played then we've got lots to look forward too then. Saying there is no middle ground with JG isn't a fair assessment I feel. Saying he's inconsistent is fine, acting like he's incapable is asenine I feel.
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Dumb af

If hes so capable then when does it ever show up?
Stop slurping


He has good throws. In what universe does that equate to good qb?
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Sorry, but our biggest liability is our QB
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This. So much this.

Shamburger and Theo , starters, were missing altogether. McCullough hasn't practiced but a couple times and wasn't available except for emergency use really. Our (arguably) best all conference corner Thompson had to play safety due to this. Started a true freshman in Slaughter...who had a great game except when matched up 1 on 1 with Smith, who was lightning fast and nobody could cover (by design..Bobo kept him over a safety/LB and ate our lunch) Taking all this into account, we are lucky they didnt hang 50 on us back there.

If everyone is healthy and available next week, we will only have 1 person in the same spot in our normal nickel (5 DB) defense...that will be A. Taylor at corner. Who needs to shut his damn mouth and play ball. Or sit down...and as well as he played, Banks should be benched immediately for getting 2 personal fouls, and then continued to run his trap even after both penalties. If CJP doesn't make Banks run stadium steps until he pukes...he is doing something wrong.

With new starters in 4 out of 5 spots on the back end, I expect our secondary to be a strength as they get more practice and playing time. CJP has consistently made his position group a strength of our team. Also excited to see K. Lawrence get more reps as he gets more comfortable back there. Heard lots of good things about him from practice.

...sigh....at this point, JG is a known liability. He made better decisions last night, but he is horribly inaccurate. I loved Dobbs, and am still his fan, but during the Dobbs Era, I never ever thought that I would see a LESS accurate passer at UT. Sometimes Dobbs couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. JG is actually worse. He went 1 for 12 on third down conversions last night....because he missed, badly, wide open receivers on 3rd down time and time again. Drive killers every single time. He has been the same for the last 17 years that he has been at UT...terribly inaccurate and late. These days, nearly EVERY single game we have a commentator mention how late and high he throws...or that he throws a 90mph fastball at a WR or RB that is only 10 yards away at most. It is embarrassing, and it never, ever happens to Bama, UGA, UF, etc...they manage to put a decent passer under center every year. We keep going with JG who we know is mediocre at his best.....

We will NEVER take the next step as a program with JG at QB. Never compete with the top tier SEC teams on an every week basis. He is a good kid, and tough, but he simply is not good at his primary responsibility: throwing the football. It is so stinking hard to watch. If he comes back next year, and doesn't get beat for the starting job, we will lose the upward trajectory we have right now as a program...and slide into perpetual mediocrity
 
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PC Jr. said:
IMO, the secondary is the biggest are of concern right now. They didn’t play well and it wasn’t that the didn’t understand the scheme or responsibilities. They lacked awareness in coverage and some physical ability (Speed, making tackles, strength). These are long term issues that will cause huge issues against good offenses.

remember, the offense (and Henry T) scored 31 points. That should good enough to win several games with solid defensive play.
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I won’t say I watched every snap, but i did see a majority of the 2nd quarter-on after Miami had adequately dispatched of FSU. From what I watched, #2 on UT’s defense looked like their best player, and I liked #13 also. Both very impressive.

On offense, Gray and Chandler are a very good combo. JG is average, and not near as good as he thinks/behaves on the field. Solid o-line too. Some potential at WR.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
If 19-31 for 260 with 2 total TDs and 0 ints is his bad as all you say he played then we've got lots to look forward too then. Saying there is no middle ground with JG isn't a fair assessment I feel. Saying he's inconsistent is fine, acting like he's incapable is asenine I feel.
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"Inconsistent" is a perfect summation, i.e. - he's either "on" or "off". I never said "incapable".

OTOH, if you'd care to take a look at his composite numbers against UF, UGA, and Bama over his career...a different picture emerges.

Perhaps "overmatched" would be a better description.

Go Vols.
 
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igotworms said:
Dumb af

If hes so capable then when does it ever show up?
Stop slurping


He has good throws. In what universe does that equate to good qb?
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What universe does 19-31, 260 and 2 total TDs with ZERO TURNOVERS equate to being bad QB play? He was inconsistent but not recognizing what he did well is a super weak evaluation on your part. Moan and groan all you want about the 5 or 6 bad throws and continue to say nothing about the 5 to 6 really good throws he made, the 60+ offensive plays in which his decision making was good and the fact he went on the road and led a 4th quarter game winning 4 play 75 yard drive that included 2 PERFECTLY EXECUTED pass plays by our entire offensive unit. Had one of our backups executed that drive you and those like you would be yelling as loud as you could how that was evidence that JG sucked. The problem with the JG can't improve argument is that he's improved a ton since his benching after the Florida debacle last season and that improvement has played a major role in 7 straight wins. Guys like you evidently can't see the good in something once you've already made judgement on said player being bad. I hope he plays as bad all season as he did last night and we win the East, I'm curious as to what the neverJGers with their 7th grade debating skills come up with if that were to happen.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
"Inconsistent" is a perfect summation, i.e. - he's either "on" or "off". I never said "incapable".

OTOH, if you'd care to take a look at his composite numbers against UF, UGA, and Bama over his career...a different picture emerges.

Perhaps "overmatched" would be a better description.

Go Vols.
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Name 1 player on our team that has put up good consistent numbers vs those 3 the last 3 years. That's all you guys have left is the fact that JG nor Pruitt has beaten any of the big3 and I think that changes this season, you obviously feel like we don't have a chance with JG so not sure what to tell ya, go buy some Maalox for your upset stomach you get watching him play I guess.
 
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