2020 Presidential Race

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tvolsfan said:
LOL

No you won't.
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Gaetz is accusing Bloomberg of a felony for paying off court costs so ex felons in FL can vote.

Rep. Matt Gaetz: Bloomberg may face criminal probe for paying felons’ fines

Pssssst: He's FOS. Here's the statute.

"Any person who gives anything of value that is redeemable in cash to any person in consideration for his or her becoming a registered voter commits a felony of the third degree."

Having a court fine paid off is not "redeemable in cash"
 
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evillawyer said:
Gaetz is accusing Bloomberg of a felony for paying off court costs so ex felons in FL can vote.

Rep. Matt Gaetz: Bloomberg may face criminal probe for paying felons’ fines

Pssssst: He's FOS. Here's the statute.

"Any person who gives anything of value that is redeemable in cash to any person in consideration for his or her becoming a registered voter commits a felony of the third degree."

Having a court fine paid off is not "redeemable in cash"
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Except the cash is used to allow them to vote?

You're a lawyer, it's not hard to put an attoney spin on it. Isn't that why you make the big bucks? SMDH.
 
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37L1 said:
Except the cash is used to allow them to vote?

You're a lawyer, it's not hard to put an attoney spin on it. Isn't that why you make the big bucks? SMDH.
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They're not getting the cash or anything that's redeemable for cash. Note the language. It has to be given to the person. Going to court and paying the court fine for person X is not giving that person cash or something he can trade for cash.
 
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evillawyer said:
Gaetz is accusing Bloomberg of a felony for paying off court costs so ex felons in FL can vote.

Rep. Matt Gaetz: Bloomberg may face criminal probe for paying felons’ fines

Pssssst: He's FOS. Here's the statute.

"Any person who gives anything of value that is redeemable in cash to any person in consideration for his or her becoming a registered voter commits a felony of the third degree."

Having a court fine paid off is not "redeemable in cash"
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what you quoted is the entire statute? That's got to be a record for shortest ever
 
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evillawyer said:
They're not getting the cash or anything that's redeemable for cash. Note the language. It has to be given to the person. Going to court and paying the court fine for person X is not giving that person cash or something he can trade for cash.
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A lawyer can make law say what he/she wants it to depending on what perspective you take on it. I swear some can hold the law upside down or read it right to left to get just the right take.

You'll know the minute the court throws it out.
 
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evillawyer said:
2019 Florida Statutes :: Title IX - Electors and Elections :: Chapter 104 - Election Code: Violations; Penalties :: 104.012 - Consideration for Registration; Interference With Registration; Soliciting Registrations for Compensation; Alteration of Registration Application.
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you missed this one which is the one being referred to. note (2)

2019 Florida Statutes :: Title IX - Electors and Elections :: Chapter 104 - Election Code: Violations; Penalties :: 104.061 - Corruptly Influencing Voting.

The issue for Bloomy is they openly advertised why they were going to do this and why they chose the audience - to get them voting to win FL for Biden. Not sure if it's enough but you (the lawyer) picked the wrong statute and reason it isn't applicable.

No person shall directly or indirectly give or promise anything of value to another intending thereby to buy that person’s or another’s vote or to corruptly influence that person or another in casting his or her vote.
 
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37L1 said:
A lawyer can make law say what he/she wants it to depending on what perspective you take on it. I swear some can hold the law upside down or read it right to left to get just the right take.

You'll know the minute the court throws it out.
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EL got the wrong statute
 
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volinbham said:
you missed this one which is the one being referred to. note (2)

2019 Florida Statutes :: Title IX - Electors and Elections :: Chapter 104 - Election Code: Violations; Penalties :: 104.061 - Corruptly Influencing Voting.

No person shall directly or indirectly give or promise anything of value to another intending thereby to buy that person’s or another’s vote or to corruptly influence that person or another in casting his or her vote.
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As long as Bloomberg doesn't condition paying off the court fine on the ex-felon voting for Biden, I don't see him violating this. He's not buying a vote. He's not even buying their registration. He's simple removing an impediment to them registering to vote. That's pretty far removed from buying a vote.
 
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evillawyer said:
As long as Bloomberg doesn't condition paying off the court fine on the ex-felon voting for Biden, I don't see him violating this. He's not buying a vote. He's not even buying their registration. He's simple removing an impediment to them registering to vote. That's pretty far removed from buying a vote.
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His statements indicate his purpose - influence the vote. The meaning of "corruptly influence" appears to be the key. I have no idea if it fits the crime or not. Just correcting the legal record

At least you can acknowledge that you got the wrong statute.
 
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evillawyer said:
They're not getting the cash or anything that's redeemable for cash. Note the language. It has to be given to the person. Going to court and paying the court fine for person X is not giving that person cash or something he can trade for cash.
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So what did Russia get from Trumo that is redeemable for cash?
 
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volinbham said:
His statements indicate his purpose - influence the vote. The meaning of "corruptly influence" appears to be the key. I have no idea if it fits the crime or not. Just correcting the legal record

At least you can acknowledge that you got the wrong statute.
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Did he mention the statute he was referring to? I just ran a search for third degree felony (which he did mention) for voter registration and that's the statute I found, which does mention receiving something of value. He may be trying to blur the two since one specifically deals with registration (but comes with a higher standard), while the other has an arguably lower standard, but deals specifically with the act of voting.
 
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evillawyer said:
Did he mention the statute he was referring to? I just ran a search for third degree felony (which he did mention) for voter registration and that's the statute I found, which does mention receiving something of value. He may be trying to blur the two since one specifically deals with registration (but comes with a higher standard), while the other has an arguably lower standard, but deals specifically with the act of voting.
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yes, in the article he uses the language that matches the statute I posted.

Took me less than 2 minutes to find it
 
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LouderVol said:
Only twice has the supreme court actually ruled on the presidential election itself.

It would take a lot to get to that point.
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That’s because generally the loser simply concedes. All it will take is the loser refusing to accept results of the election.
 
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