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It's almost like maybe, just maybe, a laissez faire approach to the virus isn't good for either public health or the economy.
 
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evillawyer said:
It's almost like maybe, just maybe, a laissez faire approach to the virus isn't good for either public health or the economy.
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This is an argument based on a lack of understanding of the issue.

The issue isnt that there is or isnt a contraction.

The issue isnt that the contraction is bigger or smaller than your neighbors.

The issue is the contraction those other countries faced are because of government interference.

Contractions happen.

What shouldnt happen is the government choosing winners, walmart and Amazon, and losers, small businesses.
 
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Sweden had a 31 billion stimulus. Sweden Records Largest GDP Drop Since 1980, But Outperforms Many Other EU Countries

Denmark stopped collecting taxes and provided wages for it's people. About 60 billion Denmark Will Borrow More Money to Finance Economic Stimulus

Finland's FOURTH stimulus was only 6 billion. The others add up to almost 50 billion. Finland will use coronavirus stimulus to build a new architecture and design museum

Gee I wonder why Sweden economy took a worse hit than its neighbors who made up more money than they did. -EL and people on Twitter with no understanding of common sense.
 
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LouderVol said:
Sweden had a 31 billion stimulus. Sweden Records Largest GDP Drop Since 1980, But Outperforms Many Other EU Countries

Denmark stopped collecting taxes and provided wages for it's people. About 60 billion Denmark Will Borrow More Money to Finance Economic Stimulus

Finland's FOURTH stimulus was only 6 billion. The others add up to almost 50 billion. Finland will use coronavirus stimulus to build a new architecture and design museum

Gee I wonder why Sweden economy took a worse hit than its neighbors who made up more money than they did. -EL and people on Twitter with no understanding of common sense.
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Context should matter. But contextual understanding slows down EL's posts and he is paid by the post.
 
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LouderVol said:
Sweden had a 31 billion stimulus. Sweden Records Largest GDP Drop Since 1980, But Outperforms Many Other EU Countries

Denmark stopped collecting taxes and provided wages for it's people. About 60 billion Denmark Will Borrow More Money to Finance Economic Stimulus

Finland's FOURTH stimulus was only 6 billion. The others add up to almost 50 billion. Finland will use coronavirus stimulus to build a new architecture and design museum

Gee I wonder why Sweden economy took a worse hit than its neighbors who made up more money than they did. -EL and people on Twitter with no understanding of common sense.
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@evillawyer does not understand any of this. Can you put in Twitter format?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
This is a fantastic read. It is fairly long, but with 5-6 minutes of everyone's time.

Open Letter from Medical Doctors and Health Professionals to All...
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Hear, hear

"Over the past few months, newspaper, radio and TV makers seemed to stand almost uncritically behind the panel of experts and the government, there, where it is precisely the press that should be critical and prevent one-sided governmental communication. This has led to a public communication in our news media, that was more like propaganda than objective reporting.
In our opinion, it is the task of journalism to bring news as objectively and neutrally as possible, aimed at finding the truth and critically controlling power, with dissenting experts also being given a forum in which to express themselves."
 
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LouderVol said:
This is an argument based on a lack of understanding of the issue.

The issue isnt that there is or isnt a contraction.

The issue isnt that the contraction is bigger or smaller than your neighbors.

The issue is the contraction those other countries faced are because of government interference.

Contractions happen.

What shouldnt happen is the government choosing winners, walmart and Amazon, and losers, small businesses.
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There's also an element of interconnectivity and politics involved. Personally I think Sweden handled this correctly (outside of nursing homes) but their approach was negated by two issues. Their neighbors did not adopt the same strategy, and their reliance on other Nordic countries for economic activity meant they lost no matter what. Secondly, their policy choices resulted in travel bans from their Nordic neighbors which also contributed to contracting the economy.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
There's also an element of interconnectivity and politics involved. Personally I think Sweden handled this correctly (outside of nursing homes) but their approach was negated by two issues. Their neighbors did not adopt the same strategy, and their reliance on other Nordic countries for economic activity meant they lost no matter what. Secondly, their policy choices resulted in travel bans from their Nordic neighbors which also contributed to contracting the economy.
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I figured the various tourism would all be hit. But I hadnt considered Seeden specific ones. That would weight the scales.

I guess how much they are hurt depends on each countries various industries. If norway is more reliant on tourism than others it would make sense that they were the worst hit. But I didnt look that up.
 
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LouderVol said:
There is one maker of these PCR tests? At least only one major one that most people use?

I get the process part is global but the actual test(ing) is as well?
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No, there are several companies that make and distribute approved PCRs. To my knowledge, they all use two or three separate primer/probe combinations to different parts of the viral RNA, usually the nucleocapsid gene.
 
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I think it would be a huge issue if we are using tests meant for research instead for diagnostics.
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That's been an issue all along, and there is continued debate about labs running too many cycles, and thus churning out a high false-positive rate.

Here's an interesting excerpt from the Labcorp COVID-19 RT-PCR EUA Summary:

Results are for the identification of SARS-CoV-2 RNA. The SARS-CoV-2 RNA is
generally detectable in respiratory specimens during the acute phase of infection. Positive results are indicative of the presence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA; clinical correlation with patient history and other diagnostic information is necessary to determine patient infection status. Positive results do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.
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Darwinian theory in all its grandeur...

On Monday night in Ohio, Lt. Gov. Jon Husted was warming up the crowd for President Donald Trump -- and trying to sell some campaign merchandise.
"I'm trying to make masks in America great again and I've got President Trump's masks," Husted, a Republican, told the audience gathered in an airplane hangar in Vandalia.
That's when the boos from the crowd -- sitting closely together and most without masks on -- started. Husted, because he thought he was facing a friendly-ish crowd, went on.
"Oh, hang on now," he said to the booers. "I've got President Trump's masks in red. We've got one in blue." That brought on more boos.
"We've even got a MAGA mask," Husted offered. Boos.
"I know we all don't like wearing 'em," said Husted, pivoting. "Hang on now, hang on. I get it."
Then, he just gave up; "You made your point, got it," he said.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
That's been an issue all along, and there is continued debate about labs running too many cycles, and thus churning out a high false-positive rate.

Here's an interesting excerpt from the Labcorp COVID-19 RT-PCR EUA Summary:
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Yeah I get that the PCR if ran enough times will generate a positive at some point. Hopefully there is a consistent number of runs they go through so we have at least the same info.

We might all be Elizabeth Warren levels of native american infected with Covid, but who cares?

The different diseases aspect I have never fully understood, even outside of Covid. I have never looked into to know better to comment further.
 
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