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sjt18 said:
Throughout most of W's term the media treated us to daily body bag counts. It was grim... and a constant central theme. That ended as soon as Obama was elected.

Once we were mocked for saying the media coordinates with the Dems or with each other... then... the "Journolist" was exposed. It is one of the most underreported stories of all time not surprisingly. But it confirmed what "conspiracy theorists" on the "right" had known for years.

Now... they barely even hide it. Only the indoctrinated left and the truly blind believe what the MSM says these days.
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Careful with that conspiracy theory stuff, my friend!

Also don't look at the party donations and relationships of most of these media execs and "journalists", there's nothing to see there.
 
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superdave1984 said:
The masks that the typical person wears doesn't stop the particles and it isn't meant to. It is meant to slow down the speed at which it leaves your face. Slow down the speed and you shorten the distance it can travel dramatically. That is the idea.
This whole thing could be beaten into the ground if everyone would just wear a mask and follow some common sense for a few weeks. Stay home whenever possible and use common sense. Problem solved.
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Absolute nonsense.
 
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McDad said:
For cryin out loud. The only concern for covid in the NFL are the obese coaches. I hope the NFL is threatening for them and not to set an example for everyone else.
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It's the rule that's stupid, not the enforcement. If they're going to have a rule, they should enforce it. I hope coaches push back and tell them how stupid it is. It's one thing to have them wear a mask but did they really think the mask would stay covering the mouth and nose for 3.5 hrs? It's the same way out in the workforce. Bartenders are wearing it, except for when they talk to someone. This is a dumbass rule by the NFL
 
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#76,556
superdave1984 said:
The masks that the typical person wears doesn't stop the particles and it isn't meant to. It is meant to slow down the speed at which it leaves your face. Slow down the speed and you shorten the distance it can travel dramatically. That is the idea.
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Which again begs the question as to whether non-symptomatic people spread it in significant ways and if masks offer any real defense for anything but high velocity expulsion. That simply does not warrant putting non-symptomatic people in masks nor does it suggest doing so will prevent anyone from being infected.

But you are actually wrong. Surgical masks and N-95's are designed to protect the wearer. The homemade ones have little if any use for anything except impeding the high velocity particles. The masks "most" people are wearing generally just redirect airflow after they become loaded with moisture.

This whole thing could be beaten into the ground if everyone would just wear a mask and follow some common sense for a few weeks. Stay home whenever possible and use common sense. Problem solved.
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So the previous weeks and months of shutdowns were wholly ineffective at anything but possibly delaying spread to some areas... but a "few weeks" more will fix everything?

An Israeli scientist wrote early in this pandemic that the virus runs a 6-8 week cycle... and you really can't do much to stop it. Once it breaks out somewhere.... it peaks then declines. Masks aren't going to stop it. Herd immunity... will stop it.
 
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sjt18 said:
Throughout most of W's term the media treated us to daily body bag counts. It was grim... and a constant central theme. That ended as soon as Obama was elected.

Once we were mocked for saying the media coordinates with the Dems or with each other... then... the "Journolist" was exposed. It is one of the most underreported stories of all time not surprisingly. But it confirmed what "conspiracy theorists" on the "right" had known for years.

Now... they barely even hide it. Only the indoctrinated left and the truly blind believe what the MSM says these days.
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A good example of that is George Stephanapoulis on ABC on Sunday mornings. He did a memoriam while Bush was President, kept it up a little after Obama came in just to not make it too obvious, but he hasn't done that for yrs now
 
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Rifleman said:
The problem was that they were about to attend a rally indoors, or at least there was one indoor rally in Trump's swing. I am a big advocate of getting a little sun everyday, but sunlight cannot kill the virus in a carrier while they wait in a line to go inside.

I think most of his rallies have been outdoors though, so I agree the outrage has been overblown.

Maybe because Sturgis recently led to so many new cases and people think of that as an outdoor event, people are still confused. Even there, it was indoor transmissions almost certainly that caused the spike in cases.
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That's not actually proven. That case study (which has not been peer reviewed) took randomized cell data and bumped it against new cases to say aha Sturgis=death. It didn't account for changes in restrictions in those counties, return to school, etc. It just said if cases went up in your location and someone from there went to Sturgis, Sturgis caused it. The paper is essentially saying Sturgis caused close to 30% of all new US cases in that time frame. Now if you consider that the infection rate is running around 0.005% there must have been a lot of coughing for a couple thousand people(all else being equal) to spread it to enough folks to cause hundreds of thousands of cases. And for those infected from Sturgis to somehow go out into their communities and spread it to thousands more. Furthermore the "cost" was an estimate based on the value of a statistical life ($11M). It isn't health costs, it's what the value of a life is estimated to be. But the press took those numbers and ran with them. It turned "value of life" into "costs to US health system" which isn't correct in the slightest.
 
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sjt18 said:
Which again begs the question as to whether non-symptomatic people spread it in significant ways and if masks offer any real defense for anything but high velocity expulsion. That simply does not warrant putting non-symptomatic people in masks nor does it suggest doing so will prevent anyone from being infected.

But you are actually wrong. Surgical masks and N-95's are designed to protect the wearer. The homemade ones have little if any use for anything except impeding the high velocity particles. The masks "most" people are wearing generally just redirect airflow after they become loaded with moisture.


So the previous weeks and months of shutdowns were wholly ineffective at anything but possibly delaying spread to some areas... but a "few weeks" more will fix everything?

An Israeli scientist wrote early in this pandemic that the virus runs a 6-8 week cycle... and you really can't do much to stop it. Once it breaks out somewhere.... it peaks then declines. Masks aren't going to stop it. Herd immunity... will stop it.
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Ineffective because not everyone takes precautions. Again, common sense. Since you say I am wrong about something I did not say I must agree with you. I did not say anything about N-95 masks. The cloth ones we common folk use just slow the speed of the particles down.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2007800
 
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superdave1984 said:
The masks that the typical person wears doesn't stop the particles and it isn't meant to. It is meant to slow down the speed at which it leaves your face. Slow down the speed and you shorten the distance it can travel dramatically. That is the idea.
This whole thing could be beaten into the ground if everyone would just wear a mask and follow some common sense for a few weeks. Stay home whenever possible and use common sense. Problem solved.
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When my wife and I were tested, they gave us some nice looking masks, Interesting thing is the bag says "Not for Medical Use". I understand they actually meant the masks weren't approved for use by medical personnel in an actual medical setting, but it was funny in any case. Mine is still in the unopened bag, and I use either a surgical mask or an N-95 mask depending on what I consider the threat level. I agree that many of what pass for masks are basically comical. For starters, if they don't have the metal band at the bridge of the nose, hard pass. We were lucky in that my wife had had mask fittings in the hospital where she works, so we had a couple of the real medical N-95 masks that she kept.
 
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superdave1984 said:
Ineffective because not everyone takes precautions. Again, common sense. Since you say I am wrong about something I did not say I must agree with you. I did not say anything about N-95 masks. The cloth ones we common folk use just slow the speed of the particles down.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2007800
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I didn't intend to say you were wrong just to expand the point.

But you are still pointing to a justification... that isn't a justification. What precautions are you talking about? If non-symptomatic people are say 10% as contagious as symptomatic people and those masks are even 20% effective (which is likely generous) then you're talking about a very small potential impact of putting non-symptomatic people in masks. But NO ONE has done this kind of "proof" in favor of masks. Why?

But "common sense" has been ignored the whole time. Infection is tied directly to viral load. So where does viral load develop? Who is most susceptible to severe problems? Those are the questions that should have been asked and answered CONSISTENTLY. Instead... we told people to stay home... in their apartments... where the virus spread readily through walls and ventilation.
 
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Mick said:
I know if a person is infected, being in the sun doesn't prevent the spread. Do you think it does?
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It will not prevent that person from being infected. No. The sun DOES kill the virus that person exhales BEFORE viral load builds to the point of infecting someone else.
 
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LouderVol said:
I would think the UV light from being outside kills X amount of the disease.

Or does your science differ?
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While helpful for cleaning surface areas, UV light has not been shown to prevent COVID-19 infection in humans or to kill the virus in infected patients. The main transmission method is airborne so wearing a mask is Y times more efficient at prevent the spread than just being outdoors.

How Fast Does Sunlight Kill Coronavirus?
In summary, the present study provides the first evidence that sunlight may rapidly inactivate SARS-CoV-2 on surfaces, suggesting that surface persistence, and subsequently exposure risk, may vary significantly between indoor and outdoor environments.
However, in order to fully assess the risk of exposure in outdoor environments, information on the viral load present on surfaces, the transfer efficiency of coronavirus from those surfaces upon contact, and the amount of virus needed to cause infection are also needed.
 
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Mick said:
While helpful for cleaning surface areas, UV light has not been shown to prevent COVID-19 infection in humans or to kill the virus in infected patients. The main transmission method is airborne so wearing a mask is Y times more efficient at prevent the spread than just being outdoors.

How Fast Does Sunlight Kill Coronavirus?
In summary, the present study provides the first evidence that sunlight may rapidly inactivate SARS-CoV-2 on surfaces, suggesting that surface persistence, and subsequently exposure risk, may vary significantly between indoor and outdoor environments.
However, in order to fully assess the risk of exposure in outdoor environments, information on the viral load present on surfaces, the transfer efficiency of coronavirus from those surfaces upon contact, and the amount of virus needed to cause infection are also needed.
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So you post this after insulting 'Trump supporters' when your own linked study indicates that more study is needed?

Are you involved in this study? Do you have more detail than we have?

You truly are a...special...'human being'.
 
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Mick said:
While helpful for cleaning surface areas, UV light has not been shown to prevent COVID-19 infection in humans or to kill the virus in infected patients. The main transmission method is airborne so wearing a mask is Y times more efficient at prevent the spread than just being outdoors.

How Fast Does Sunlight Kill Coronavirus?
In summary, the present study provides the first evidence that sunlight may rapidly inactivate SARS-CoV-2 on surfaces, suggesting that surface persistence, and subsequently exposure risk, may vary significantly between indoor and outdoor environments.
However, in order to fully assess the risk of exposure in outdoor environments, information on the viral load present on surfaces, the transfer efficiency of coronavirus from those surfaces upon contact, and the amount of virus needed to cause infection are also needed.
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Yeah it doesnt kill anything in a person. Again neither do masks.

If you want to decrease risk seems that UV is good.
 
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ButchPlz said:
So you post this after insulting 'Trump supporters' when your own linked study indicates that more study is needed?

Are you involved in this study? Do you have more detail than we have?

You truly are a...special...'human being'.
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The Trump supporter that said what I quoted was waiting in line to go to an indoor rally without a mask. She was special alright as are the rest of his supporters.
 
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Mick said:
The Trump supporter that said what I quoted was waiting in line to go to an indoor rally without a mask. She was special alright as are the rest of his supporters.
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The first word that comes to most of our minds when we see your posts is "vegetable".

You've still not countered anything I've said. Try again, Sherlock.
 
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