American war dead are "Losers and Suckers," per Trump

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BowlBrother85 said:
Mark Felt was not their only anonymous source. In fact, all of their sources were anonymous in the first year of that entire investigation and reporting except for one brave soul. The only person who would go on record about the Watergate break-in and it's possible ties to the White House was a man named Hugh Sloan. He was treasurer of the Committee to Re-elect the President and had served as an aid to Bob Haldeman.
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So they had one more named source than the entire MSM has had for the last 4 years?

W&B also published nothing that they didn't verify AND guess what? There reporting ended up being confirmed so another HUGE difference between that story and 99% of the Trump stories published over the last 4 years.
 
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golfballs said:
Bidens poll numbers are falling. Heā€™s suffering from bouts of Dementia. They gotta start pulling out the stops
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Except that they really aren't. Fox News released polls yesterday showing Biden with a lead in every state that he needs to win - Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan and Florida... and even with a lead in states that he doesn't need to win - North Carolina and Arizona.

And once again, you guys are not consistent when it comes to citing polling data. Sometimes they matter, and sometimes they don't. Which is it?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's just a guess, but I think he was a source for this story. That's why I want to read a denial from him. Kelly had a son die in a war. He is not going to sit still and listen to the President say something like this. I certainly find him more credible than Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Dan Scavino. Sanders was caught in several lies as White House Press Secretary. Good lord.
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BowlBrother85 said:
Why is that? If he didn't hear it, why not say so? He should issue a denial like others have.
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Im still trying to follow the line of thought.

- General Kelly had a son die in war.
- He wouldn't sit still and listen to the president say something like this.
- The alleged comments are from 2018
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im still trying to follow the line of thought.

- General Kelly had a son die in war.
- He wouldn't sit still and listen to the president say something like this.
- The alleged comments are from 2018
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- He was Trump's Chief of Staff at the time.

- He was on this trip in question.

- It makes sense that he would issue a denial, if he didn't hear it.

- And wouldn't the Chief of Staff be one of the first people who would be contacted to either confirm or deny this story? I would think so, and it is odd that he hasn't said a word yet. Maybe he will soon?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
- He was Trump's Chief of Staff at the time.

- He was on this trip in question.

- It makes sense that he would issue a denial, if he didn't hear it.

- And wouldn't the Chief of Staff be one of the first people who would be contacted to either confirm or deny this story? I would think so, and it is odd that he hasn't said a word yet. Maybe he will soon?
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I think the comments that were supposedly made about Kelly's son were in May 2018 and you want us to believe a man like Kelly continued to work for Trump until Jan 2019?
 
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hog88 said:
I think the comments that were supposedly made about Kelly's son were in May 2018 and you want us to believe a man like Kelly continued to work for Trump until Jan 2019?
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I don't know. I would just expect to see a denial from Kelly, if he didn't hear it. He was in a position to know if this was said. He was there. That is the one person who would immediately convince me that this didn't happen, and I don't think I'm alone in feeling that way. I just want to read a denial from him. Hopefully, he will say something and put this to bed soon.
 
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Coug said:
Of course he said it, none of this is out of character for Trump. Trump's been insulting veterans and military personnel for years. John McCain, The Khan family, Alexander Vindman, La David Johnson. This article is no different.
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Politics makes people not see the obvious.

When Bill Clinton said, "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN!!!" I was watching with some friends who were all like, "Whew, glad that's over!" and I actually spit-sprayed the beer I was drinking and nearly choked laughing.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't know. I would just expect to see a denial from Kelly, if he didn't hear it. He was in a position to know if this was said. He was there. That is the one person who would immediately convince me that this didn't happen, and I don't think I'm alone in feeling that way. I just want to read a denial from him. Hopefully, he will say something and put this to bed soon.
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I doubt Kelly would dignify the article with a response. Did the author or anyone else reach out to him?
 
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TennesseeTopHat said:
Why donā€™t you want all Americans to have health coverage? Why arenā€™t you willing to pay more in tax to help your fellow citizens also prosper? Why are you only looking out for yourself rather than your fellow man as well?

Also you canā€™t privatize government entities. Thatā€™s fundamentally not how government works

One more edit: unions helped build this country into what it is today. With strong unions also came the large middle class. Why are you anti union? Many European countries with higher standards of living than the US have strong labor unions.

FWIW my household also benefits from republican monetary policies. However Iā€™m willing to pay more to help ensure a better future for others
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Problem is that is not what happens. The government takes more and more and doesnā€™t actually help anyone and the money is wasted on things like diversity training and studying cow farts for climate change
 
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Coug said:
Of course he said it, none of this is out of character for Trump. Trump's been insulting veterans and military personnel for years. John McCain, The Khan family, Alexander Vindman, La David Johnson. This article is no different.
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And Trump's denial is meaningless, when you've told over 20,000 lies you no longer get the benefit of the doubt, nor should he get the benefit of the doubt - that ship set sail long ago. Trump and his acolytes can deny it all they want but they have zero credibility when it comes to honesty.
 
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hog88 said:
I doubt Kelly would dignify the article with a response. Did the author or anyone else reach out to him?
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Wouldn't the Chief of Staff at the time be one of the first people a journalist would reach out to in effort to confirm this story? I can only assume that John Kelly's phone has been blowing up today, and we don't have a comment from him... at least not yet. That is why he stands out to me (and others) as a possible source for this story.
 
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TN Ribs said:
And Trump's denial is meaningless, when you've told over 20,000 lies you no longer get the benefit of the doubt, nor should he get the benefit of the doubt - that ship set sail long ago. Trump and his acolytes can deny it all they want but they have zero credibility when it comes to honesty.
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Same goes for the all media and Twitter . šŸ˜‰
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Problem is that is not what happens. The government takes more and more and doesnā€™t actually help anyone and the money is wasted on things like diversity training and studying cow farts for climate change
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If everyone is covered, then everyone is covered. How is that ā€œnot what happensā€?
 
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OHvol40 said:
If everyone is covered, then everyone is covered. How is that ā€œnot what happensā€?
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Because thatā€™s not what happens. There are reasons why most physicians and hospitals are against that. You would force people to ā€œgiveā€ their services under government direction. Take choices out of physician hands even further and make care substandard
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Wouldn't the Chief of Staff at the time be one of the first people a journalist would reach out to in effort to confirm this story? I can only assume that John Kelly's phone has been blowing up today, and we don't have a comment from him... at least not yet. That is why he stands out to me (and others) as a possible source for this story.
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I would expect the author of the article would have reached out and said in his article that he had without response.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
- He was Trump's Chief of Staff at the time
- He was on this trip in question
- It makes sense that he would issue a denial, if he didn't hear it
- And wouldn't the Chief of Staff be one of the first people who would be contacted to either confirm or deny this story? I would think so, and it is odd that he hasn't said a word yet. Maybe he will soon?
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Im not questioning his title/position at the time, nor the idea that he wouldn't have been present for the comment.

If these are true...
- The statement was made
- He heard it
- 3 other people heard it (which he would know)
- His son was a casualty of war
- The statement was from 2018

I question why he needs to be an unnamed source with 3 other witnesses. It's not a case of his word against just mine.

Why should I believe a career serviceman overheard a statement like that (given his own son is a fallen service member) and he wouldn't demand that this be public knowledge the day after it was said, with him being the unapologetic source? And that's worse case. Had it started a fight, it wouldn't have shocked me.

His silence shouldn't equal, "well, it has to be true then".
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Because thatā€™s not what happens. There are reasons why most physicians and hospitals are against that. You would force people to ā€œgiveā€ their services under government direction. Take choices out of physician hands even further and make care substandard
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Sounds like what some governors did with a certain drug that Trump said something positive about for covid treatment.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im not questioning his title/position at the time, nor the idea that he wouldn't have been present for the comment.

If these are true...
- The statement was made
- He heard it
- 3 other people heard it (which he would know)
- His son was a casualty of war
- The statement was from 2018

I question why he needs to be an unnamed source with 3 other witnesses. It's not a case of his word against just mine.

Why should I believe a career serviceman overheard a statement like that (given his own son is a fallen service member) and he wouldn't demand that this be public knowledge the day after it was said, with him being the unapologetic source? And that's worse case. Had it started a fight, it wouldn't have shocked me.

His silence shouldn't equal, "well, it has to be true then".
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I believe this story is going to be with us for a while. I suspect a name or names will come out before (probably just before) the election and the story will have to be confirmed or denied. Stay tuned.
 
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