Gun control debate (merged)

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luthervol said:
Not sure what the documented lies are......... but
14 million guns were "legally" purchased in 2019. I'm for lowering that number.
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And why shouldn't guns be legally purchased? Less than .001% of all firearms in the U.S. are used for criminal purposes.
What other legal items are you for keeping people from purchasing?
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
The anti-gun crowd isn't even really worth engaging at this point. No amount of logic or facts will make the light come on in their heads.

Just keep on buying guns and ammo.
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It's all about the "feelz" and "save the children" with no actual understanding of the issue...typical for that crowd
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
The anti-gun crowd isn't even really worth engaging at this point. No amount of logic or facts will make the light come on in their heads.

Just keep on buying guns and ammo.
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Oh I’ll engage them. I’ve got my list of existing gun laws that need to be repealed immediately, title II designation needs to be abolished, and people need to be refunded their misappropriated tax funds for the stamps. TIA
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh I’ll engage them. I’ve got my list of existing gun laws that need to be repealed immediately, title II designation needs to be abolished, and people need to be refunded their misappropriated tax funds for the stamps. TIA
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Woo hoo! Free suppressors!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh I’ll engage them. I’ve got my list of existing gun laws that need to be repealed immediately, title II designation needs to be abolished, and people need to be refunded their misappropriated tax funds for the stamps. TIA
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There's likely no going back on those issues. If they were going to rectified it should have happened when the GOP literally controlled the entire federal government a few years ago.

The best thing we can do is continue buying guns, gun parts, and ammo. That will be the best way to frustrate future gun control efforts.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
And why shouldn't guns be legally purchased? Less than .001% of all firearms in the U.S. are used for criminal purposes.
What other legal items are you for keeping people from purchasing?
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Who said guns shouldn't be legally purchased?
I said fewer should be legally purchased, which will result in an even greater percentage drop in illegal purchases.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
There's likely no going back on those issues. If they were going to rectified it should have happened when the GOP literally controlled the entire federal government a few years ago.

The best thing we can do is continue buying guns, gun parts, and ammo. That will be the best way to frustrate future gun control efforts.
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Oh I know. I’m just saying no more. Not one. I see no reason to continue to willingly dilute a constitutional right. If I support any changes it will only be roll back. No more restrictions not one.
 
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luthervol said:
Who said guns shouldn't be legally purchased?
I said fewer should be legally purchased, which will result in an even greater percentage drop in illegal purchases.
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um....you are saying people should only be able to purchase one a month, which is not only illegal, but pointless...and you are stating that "fewer" should be allowed to be purchased which is YOU saying guns that would be legally purchased shouldn't be
 
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LouderVol said:
1. Gun manufacturers accountable. What manufacturer is held responsible for the criminal use of their product? Never heard of Ford getting sued when their is an accident, yet alone someone purposefully running someone over. Biden claims it's in every other industry. I dont know of one do you?
2. Weapons of war and large mags. Supreme court just ruled against bans on large mags. So he is proposing unconstitutional measures. And then weapons of war is a laughable term. A 9mm glock that cops carry is a weapon of war under his definition. Is that rationale or reasonable @luthervol?
3. Not letting manufacturers make "minor" changes that dont reduce lethality. Again another nonsensical phrase with no understanding behind it. This belief goes off the cosmetics. The difference between semiautomic and automatic is a huge functional change. And depending on whatever "reasonable and rational" non understanding of the word "difference" there is a huge step down in lethality. I laugh at the example given about three shot gun shells vs birds... where in the US is it legal to shoot children? It's not. More fear mongering bs built on a complete lack of intellectually honest discussion.
4. Ok here he brings up crime. And how registered weapons are rarely used. Using the governments own info the "assault weapon" of choice to use in crimes is a hand gun. So much so that rifles, which would be the assault weapons Biden doesnt understand, is going after 3% of firearms used in crimes. Handguns make up 71%. Rational or reasonable @luthervol to go after weapons you completely lied about the usage of?
6. Buy back of "assault weapons" Government is welcome to offer to do that. Not sure where they steal the money from. But offering buy back programs doesnt bother me. *note this isnt a mandatory buy back*. Not sure how many he thinks slipped thru but ok. @luthervol here is one for your boy.
7. Limiting purchases to one per month. This is a property right issue not a gun issue imo. They are just using the scary gun blanket to cover an unconstitutional expansion of power. And another one not based on any facts that this would work.
8. Expand background checks. Here is another half decent idea. Problem here is the Dems have fought this. Rs sought to expand the search to include non nationals, dems fought it(military base shooting in Florida). Dems also fought additional flagging of failed background checks by ICE. They only want to keep guns out of certain wrong hands. And I wonder how this ties in to felons getting to vote, will they be able to buy guns? Or are we only returning some rights and keeping felons as half citizens?
9. Online gun buying loophole. Lol. One this doesnt exist. Two good luck regulating that. This literally isnt going to stop anyone. But again this is a property crime violation. Unless the sale happens between people of different states they have non constitutional right to interfere.
10. Taking away guns from the senile. There are worse ideals here, my issue is there is no due process. This gives the government the ability to come in and steal lawful items from citizens. That's a whole host of unconstitutional. But again this relies on government agencies talking effectively to each other.
11. Hate crimes misdemeanors are now escalated to the level of felons and cant own guns. That's a dozy. Seems like a whole lot of extra power that goes outside the area of law. I would get it if this was limited to violent "hate" crimes. But this doesnt make that distinction.
12. Expanding the automatic pass from 3 days to 10 days. Just imagine having to wait to vote. Oh sorry the government didnt approve your right in time, better luck in four years. I love that he is just going to make the FBI more effective with pen here. Real fantasy land stuff with no way of saying how.
13. They are pretty vague on what happened here. Not sure why it needs to be a law about fugitives from the law not being able to buy guns. That should already be caught by the fbi in the universal background check. I guess this is a good one, but again without specifics there is a whole lot of wrong that could be hidden behind good intentions. Under this line of thinking are people in jail, not prison, or out on bail or just awaiting trial not given their other rights? If they are denied equally I dont see much of an issue.
14. End the online sale of guns, ammo, and kit.....good luck. And you cant buy guns online. Seems like a rational or reasonable person would know that.
15. Bahahahaha gun collection from those individuals who shouldnt legally have guns. I wish them luck, but holey crap that's a TON of manpower, logistics, and research. And with cases like Breona Taylor already on the books I am sure this goes well. Good intention no chance in hades of this actually working. But because it's a decent idea I have to give some credit here.
16. Expand red flag laws in states. We have already seen a couple cases of red flags gone wrong, and they want to double down. Talk about voter suppression because every red hat just got flagged. Bad bad bad. It takes away rights BEFORE guilt is proven.
17. Working with states to require licensing. This is the first step to federal licensing. Again, bad. It's not a right if you have to get permission.
18. Expanding background check funding. Seems like this has been covered before under 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14. Not sure why it needed another point.
19. Domestic abuse and guns. Goes back to red flags. I know a guy who was actually the victim but the system just sees male and assumes he was guilty. That's a fun tag that has ruined his life. Good thing the government never gets thing wrong right.... another good idea but very bad in practice.

Oh I am not even half way done. I dont have more time for this. Maybe later.
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The Supreme court didn't rule on the magazine ban.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
um....you are saying people should only be able to purchase one a month, which is not only illegal, but pointless...and you are stating that "fewer" should be allowed to be purchased which is YOU saying guns that would be legally purchased shouldn't be
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It's not illegal. There are legal limits placed on the amount of legal drugs that can be purchase. How's it different?
I think fewer pain killers should be purchased overall, but I'm most definitely not against the proper availability of pain killers.
Just that they should be well regulated.
 
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luthervol said:
It's not illegal. There are legal limits placed on the amount of legal drugs that can be purchase. How's it different?
I think fewer pain killers should be purchased overall, but I'm most definitely not against the proper availability of pain killers.
Just that they should be well regulated.
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There are limits on alcohol? Cigarettes?
 
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luthervol said:
It's not illegal. There are legal limits placed on the amount of legal drugs that can be purchase. How's it different?
I think fewer pain killers should be purchased overall, but I'm most definitely not against the proper availability of pain killers.
Just that they should be well regulated.
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What amendment is prescription drugs coved in?

But I agree, for 99% of drugs a prescription shouldn’t be required.
 
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luthervol said:
Not sure what the documented lies are......... but
14 million guns were "legally" purchased in 2019. I'm for lowering that number.
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They state that assault weapons are commonly used in crimes and they need to be stopped. But they are actually only 3% of firearm use. Well below handguns, and I think even shotguns.

And your 14 million proves the point. In any given year less than 10k firearms murder someone. This includes use by the government. That is .07%. You are justifying going after 14 million based on 10k.
Let me make this easy for you.
14,000,000
10,000

And none of the measures brought up by biden do anything to reduce that 10k.

Based on the logic you are displaying here the only race that should be allowed to walk around and have any rights would be asians. All others, including white people, have more than .07% of their population in jail.

In fact white people are ,approx, 30 times more guilty than guns are. Suspending the illogical nature of an inanimate object being guilty.

So if you really actually cared and actually believed in your stance about what is dangerous you would be locking up entire races.
 
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utvolpj said:
There are limits on alcohol? Cigarettes?
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Nope. Society has decided morphine should be treated differently than alcohol and cigarettes. Something about recognizing the fact that even though all 3 are bad when abused, morphine rises to a different level.
And society has the right to make that decision.
 
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luthervol said:
Who said guns shouldn't be legally purchased?
I said fewer should be legally purchased, which will result in an even greater percentage drop in illegal purchases.
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What is your logic on this argument?

What in our history convinces you that government restrictions on legal purchases also decreases illegal purchases?

We have tried this. Prohibition blew up in our faces.
 
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luthervol said:
Nope. Society has decided morphine should be treated differently than alcohol and cigarettes. Something about recognizing the fact that even though all 3 are bad when abused, morphine rises to a different level.
And society has the right to make that decision.
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Society doesn’t have that right, society particularly government has the might to make that decision.
 
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