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[BeardedVol]

I originally quoted EL who provided Cuomo’s tweet, which provided no source material.

Again, Travis provides similar material, albeit from a different source, with a similarly positive spin and he’s considered a fraud. Imagine that.

I guess you can fault Cuomo for giving people too much credit for assuming that the governor of New York, would be posting information from the New York Department of Health.

You should Tweet him and tell him he needs to call that out.

 

[0nelilreb]

So, if all of the numbers are incorrect, why is it that you are trying to participate in the discussion in any way other than to show everyone the "true" numbers?

Please post your sources, I'd love to read them.

The discussion was why believe one person ( Clay Travis ) and not a government agency in New York and their numbers . I’ve got some really bad news for you .. there’s no such things as a TRUE set of Multilevel , Multi-city, Multi-state , Multi-test, Multiprocess, Multi-procedural, collection of data points . I don’t need sources to tell you that , it’s an impossibility.

 

[hUTch2002]

I was replying specifically to a post about the deficit. Despite the stock market and new startups both responding very favorably to the tax cuts, they still didn’t hit the GDP growth they projected - or close to what they needed to meet the tax revenue they projected. Thus the ballooning deficit.

I’m also familiar with the Kevin Hasset press conference from Summer 2018 (by the way this is the same guy who came back to the White House for a while and produced the famous cubic model that showed deaths going to zero forever ago). I actually took each plot he presented and did my own analysis. It was just stupid. He was taking cyclical factors like capex investment and plotting the derivative to make it look like it was surging because it came out of the trough. Other factors, like manufacturing PMI, which did climb through the summer of 18, crashed from exactly them all the way through 2019 - actually slipping below 50 (meaning contraction) by spring 2019. Also the cyclical metrics he presented had turned back down by 2019, meaning the plots that were shown before looked rough just a year later. I hated that press conference because it was cherry picking metrics to make them look better and the ones that weren’t cherry picked, like PMI, turned bad just months later. He was aiming to show how factors had changed dramatically between Obama and Trump. And while things did change - they were exaggerated by the way Hassett showed them. And many of those factors went right back to where they had been

Fair enough. You have the Reps claiming that the economy was terrible under Obama and that it soared under Trump and the Dems claiming it was better under Obama and that Trump’s isn’t as good and any success it just riding Obama’s wave. As usual, the truth is likely in the middle. Trump definitely improved some measures and some were already trending better prior to Trump.

Anyway, I listened to another economist last week and he was saying that many economists are saying we just finished the shortest recession ever but that a double dip is possible, especially without a second stimulus package. With a second stimulus package included in forecasting, we will get goods spending back to Q1 2020 levels in this quarter (Q3) but then it will flatline while services spending won’t reach Q1 2020 levels until Q2 2022. He specifically mentioned tariff negotiations with Canada, China being short on what they promised for imports, and the Chairman of the Fed Reserve practically begging Congress for another stimulus as indicators that, while things are looking much better and trending well, we might not be out of the woods economically yet. These next 3 months are going to be insane.

 

[BeardedVol]

The discussion was why believe one person ( Clay Travis ) and not a government agency in New York and their numbers . I’ve got some really bad news for you .. there’s no such things as a TRUE set of Multilevel , Multi-city, Multi-state , Multi-test, Multiprocess, Multi-procedural, collection of data points . I don’t need sources to tell you that , it’s an impossibility.

So let me see if I get this right:

Clay Travis quotes health department numbers = numbers are true

So one you don't like quotes health department numbers = numbers are false

Does that sum up your position on the subject?

 

[0nelilreb]

So let me see if I get this right:

Clay Travis quotes health department numbers = numbers are true

So one you don't like quotes health department numbers = numbers are false

Does that sum up your position on the subject?

What did I say about the numbers ? I was talking to the question how one could be believed just as much as the other or more if you decided to base the information being given off of historical data , lies , truths , cons , political agendas ,etc . etc. . I told you that you didn’t have to make this hard , it was pretty simple .

 

[MG1968]

I guess you can fault Cuomo for giving people too much credit for assuming that the governor of New York, would be posting information from the New York Department of Health.

You should Tweet him and tell him he needs to call that out.

The only question I want cuomo to answer is if he feels he has blood on his hands for forcing Covid positive cases into nursing homes.

 

[TennTradition]

Fair enough. You have the Reps claiming that the economy was terrible under Obama and that it soared under Trump and the Dems claiming it was better under Obama and that Trump’s isn’t as good and any success it just riding Obama’s wave. As usual, the truth is likely in the middle. Trump definitely improved some measures and some were already trending better prior to Trump.

Anyway, I listened to another economist last week and he was saying that many economists are saying we just finished the shortest recession ever but that a double dip is possible, especially without a second stimulus package. With a second stimulus package included in forecasting, we will get goods spending back to Q1 2020 levels in this quarter (Q3) but then it will flatline while services spending won’t reach Q1 2020 levels until Q2 2022. He specifically mentioned tariff negotiations with Canada, China being short on what they promised for imports, and the Chairman of the Fed Reserve practically begging Congress for another stimulus as indicators that, while things are looking much better and trending well, we might not be out of the woods economically yet. These next 3 months are going to be insane.

The PPP loans - while inefficient - did what they were supposed to do. We overdid the unemployment payments but the stimulus payments also stabilized. That was good medicine. I think the next stimulus will need to be different. Checks I’m sure - but infrastructure must be part of this package or the third. Basically a massive manufacturing and infrastructure stimulus. I’m not sure it would be enough to avoid the reprecussions that are still coming but it might avoid the worst.

 

[BeardedVol]

What did I say about the numbers ? I was talking to the question how one could be believed just as much as the other or more if you decided to base the information being given off of historical data , lies , truths , cons , political agendas ,etc . etc. . I told you that you didn’t have to make this hard , it was pretty simple .

What?

Are you you trolling now ? I don’t give a damn about the numbers , I don’t believe any of them , regardless of who posts them up . I know you did just try to say I needed to show proof that the local / City / state of New York and it’s politicians are corrupt .. Nah even EL couldn’t pay you enough to ask a question that dumb in public .

The discussion was why believe one person ( Clay Travis ) and not a government agency in New York and their numbers . I’ve got some really bad news for you .. there’s no such things as a TRUE set of Multilevel , Multi-city, Multi-state , Multi-test, Multiprocess, Multi-procedural, collection of data points . I don’t need sources to tell you that , it’s an impossibility.

At this point, not sure if trolling or dementia.

 

[BeardedVol]

The only question I want cuomo to answer is if he feels he has blood on his hands for forcing Covid positive cases into nursing homes.

So how would him bring culpable or not impact the veracity of the New York Health Department numbers that he Tweeted?

 

[0nelilreb]

What?



At this point, not sure if trolling or dementia.

Dude you are trying to make this way too hard to prove a point that is impossible to prove . I don’t give a sh!t about anybody’s numbers , NONE , let me repeat that , NONE will be correct . The point was how you or others could or could not believe one person ( Clay ) over some Health department or government agency . It’s the very same regurgitated argument that been had on here since before you popped in , and since Clays first data points were posted .

 

[Purple Tiger]

That’s from May. Plenty of new findings suggest it absolutely does work in certain situations when combined with zinc and antibiotics. It doesn’t work in every situation, but to continue saying it does nothing is moronic at this point.

Where is your proof? Who endorses your belief?

 

[MG1968]

So how would him bring culpable or not impact the veracity of the New York Health Department numbers that he Tweeted?

When did I ever question the numbers he provided?

 

[BeardedVol]

Dude you are trying to make this way too hard to prove a point that is impossible to prove . I don’t give a sh!t about anybody’s numbers , NONE , let me repeat that , NONE will be correct . The point was how you or others could or could not believe one person ( Clay ) over some Health department or government agency . It’s the very same regurgitated argument that been had on here since before you popped in , and since Clays first data points were posted .

The data contained in Clay's posts is irrelevant, according to your previous statement "don’t believe any of them , regardless of who posts them up".

So why are you upset about someone not believing the numbers Clay posts, and believing those that Cuomo posts, if you don’t believe any of them , regardless of who posts them up?

Aside from that, I'm just not sure you can have any meaningful contribution to the discussion if you are going to assert that all of the numbers are false, but provide no prove of them being false, or any sources with alternative numbers.

 

[hUTch2002]

The PPP loans - while inefficient - did what they were supposed to do. We overdid the unemployment payments but the stimulus payments also stabilized. That was good medicine. I think the next stimulus will need to be different. Checks I’m sure - but infrastructure must be part of this package or the third. Basically a massive manufacturing and infrastructure stimulus. I’m not sure it would be enough to avoid the reprecussions that are still coming but it might avoid the worst.

What’s crazy is the PPP loans were a small portion of the total bill. I hate the way bills get all kinds of other things put in them and I’m not just talking about these CV bills. For quite a while we’ve been reckless with the budget (both sides) so it certainly shouldn’t be a surprise we are now when there are legitimate needs. While Trump was in a tough spot with this one, I haven’t agreed with all of the money given out the way it has been. Despite what some on here claim, not everyone who votes for Trump has to like every decision the guy makes. By the way, I’ve said it on here before but you are very good with stats. I haven’t had to use that knowledge much since college so I’m not nearly as good at them as you so here’s a tip of the hat to you.

 

[BeardedVol]

When did I ever question the numbers he provided?

I originally quoted EL who provided Cuomo’s tweet, which provided no source material.

Again, Travis provides similar material, albeit from a different source, with a similarly positive spin and he’s considered a fraud. Imagine that.

So you weren't insinuating that Cuomo's numbers were not correct because he didn't list the source of his data being the New York Health Department?

So you are not suggesting that the Tweet contains inaccurate or false information as far as you are aware?

 

[MG1968]

So you weren't insinuating that Cuomo's numbers were not correct because he didn't list the source of his data being the New York Health Department?

So you are not suggesting that the Tweet contains inaccurate or false information as far as you are aware?

No. And. No.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Where is your proof? Who endorses your belief?

If you had the Coronavirus would you try hydroxychloroquine?

 

[Rickyvol77]

You spent that post deriding him and saying that the Hydroxychloroquine “ treatment “ is not effective, only to turn around and make a DA statement saying Remdesvir is literally a “ cure “. for Covid -19 . You sound smarter when you don’t post .

I laughed when I read that. He clearly has no idea what “cure” means

 

[Septic]

Germany has already showed him..... combine that with what Sweden has already done and we may be able to move forward instead of constantly hiding and re hiding bc this disease will run its course.... he has not offered one d&mn thing different than has been done for 100 of years.

What? They aren't relying on herd immunity...

They've just done a FAR better job of what Fauci and Birx have been screaming for a LONG time.

Germany did not prevent the COVID-19 outbreak, but the prevention protocols in place facilitated the country’s response to the outbreak. These protocols included early establishment of testing capacities, high levels of testing (in the European Union, Germany is a leader in tests per confirmed case), an effective containment strategy among older people (which may explain why Germany has a much lower case fatality rate than comparable countries), and efficient use of the country’s ample hospital capacity.

Source

They simply have competent leadership who relied on science instead of "leadership" that pretended it was a hoax and gave it's citizens mixed messages.

 

[Septic]

Are you you trolling now ? I don’t give a damn about the numbers , I don’t believe any of them , regardless of who posts them up . I know you did just try to say I needed to show proof that the local / City / state of New York and it’s politicians are corrupt .. Nah even EL couldn’t pay you enough to ask a question that dumb in public .

That's about right.

 

[0nelilreb]

The data contained in Clay's posts is irrelevant, according to your previous statement "don’t believe any of them , regardless of who posts them up".

So why are you upset about someone not believing the numbers Clay posts, and believing those that Cuomo posts, if you don’t believe any of them , regardless of who posts them up?

Aside from that, I'm just not sure you can have any meaningful contribution to the discussion if you are going to assert that all of the numbers are false, but provide no prove of them being false, or any sources with alternative numbers.

-Ugh .
-Are you another VN Attorney ? You argue like an attorney .
-The data in Clays is no more irrelevant than the data in the one you are trying really hard to defend .
-I haven’t been upset about any of it .
-I specifically said I don’t believe it’s possible to have TRUE numbers
- I explain in detail why this is ( ) and I noticed you conveniently skipped over that reasoning .
- I can actually have a meaningful discussion about all of it AND also still unequivocally state that True Covid numbers is a fallacy and impossible to prove based on the fact that their are multiple standards and procedures being used to set policy and agendas .
——
... still think you are an Attorney .

 

[UT_VOLS13]

South Dakota turns down extra $300-a-week unemployment benefits from Trump administration

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Steve Bannon: Democrats 'want death and destruction'

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Bernie Sanders calls on House to return to Capitol Hill to negotiate USPS funding, remove Postmaster General