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Hold the line, SEC!
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Totally different viruses. Very doubtful they would be even a remote crossed reactivity between the two. But that is not my expertise area therefore I’ll just stick with doubtful…
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I haven’t taken a flu shot since the military, but I will this year. I realize they are two different viruses and one immunization from one doesn’t cover you from the other one. I just don’t want to leave myself open to both of them. Not taking the chance.
 
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KPT_VFL said:
Justin Fields won’t play. He will sit out. No point in risking getting hurt that close to the draft. He could have had plenty of time to hire an agent and be draft ready by the time a spring season would even start. They going to let kids hire agents while playing college football? Doesn’t give them much time to get draft ready.
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That's a great point and issue now for B1G and PAC. Every NFL hopeful will go straight to combine mode. The best players will have already peaced out by the time they play.
 
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I think there's some relevant information in this article,

There would be many hurdles for college football players to climb before forming a union. As detailed in Sportico’s analysis of demands by Pac-12 football players, the fact that some players play for private universities while others play for public universities is crucial.

The National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), a federal law, determines whether workers at private universities qualify as employees and whether employees can unionize. The NLRA is enforced by the National Labor Relations Board, which in 2015 declined to recognize Northwestern University Football players as employees.

In contrast, state labor law determines whether a public university worker is an employee and whether (and under what conditions) employees can unionize. State laws vary widely, with some states adopting so-called “right to work” policies that limit or prohibit employees from unionizing.

Take the quarterback Lawrence as an example. He plays for a public university in South Carolina, a state whose Supreme Court has made clear that public employees do not have the right to collective bargaining. In other words, even if Lawrence could establish that he is a Clemson employee, Lawrence could not join a union to negotiate employment terms on his behalf. He and his Tigers teammates would instead individually negotiate employment contracts with their school or become at-will employees.

A union of college football players is further complicated by the uncertainty over whether enough players on a team would even vote in favor of a union. For those enrolled at a private university, at least 30% would need to sign a petition declaring they want to form a union. Then, after an election is held, a majority would need to vote in favor of unionizing.

The idea of a union of football players drawn from multiple schools faces even more hurdles. Aside from the fact some play for public colleges and others play for private ones, they play for teams that are part of individual universities. Those universities are not in a professional sports league. They are instead members of the NCAA, which under the Federal Tax Code is recognized as a 501(c)(3) tax exempt entity because it “fosters national or international amateur sports competition [emphasis added].” The U.S. Supreme Court has also repeatedly recognized the NCAA as an association of non-professional sports. To overcome both federal law and U.S. Supreme Court precedent would be challenging.

A trade association of college football players is a more plausible alternative, as it would not require employee status. An association simply refers to a group of individuals or businesses that share common interests and seek to maximize those interests through a group voice.

For instance, the Motion Picture Association of America advocates for movie studios while the NFL Coaches Association does the same for NFL coaches. Neither conducts collective bargaining with an employer. However, both can facilitate in the negotiation of group contracts. A trade association of college football players could potentially accomplish the goals set out in the #WeAreUnited and #WeWantToPlay letters while avoiding the constraints of labor law and not causing panic among schools about the prospect of suddenly adding hundreds of employees.

A trade association for college athletes is not a new concept. It has been discussed since Ed O’Bannon’s litigation against the NCAA, particularly as a vehicle for negotiating group licenses on behalf of college athletes for the use of their names, images and likenesses in video games, apparel and merchandise. There is also an organization in place that advocates for college athletes, the College Athlete Players’ Association. The NCAA, however, does not permit group licensing. Also, while the NCAA now supports an emerging plan for college athletes to profit from their name, image and likeness, the association remains opposed to an entity that would collectively represent athletes.

But under pressure from athletes, could the NCAA back down and permit a trade association? Even that would be a game-changer.
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https://www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2020/college-players-union-1234610792/
 
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Weezer said:
IF the SEC and the ACC do play, it'll be interesting how it effects recruiting and transfers. Kids decommitting from the Big 10 and looking to come south could potentially help us and hurt us. We could see UGA and UF get their classes bolstered with something like this. And if kids transfer due to their conference not playing, that seems like an excellent case for a waiver IMO. Certain conferences may not like that, but in that case, they're choosing not to play. No reason players should be punished for that. I think PAC12 and Big 10 will be hoping to pressure the other Power 5 conferences to fold as well to prevent a lot of this. I hope we don't bow to that pressure.
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No time for waivers is the issue. Ain't happenin for underclassmen.

The recruiting thing...not sure I get. Maybe it affects a few, but we're talking future recruits, 2021 2022 etc. Doesn't affect them. Then there will be the spinroom from B1G and PAC saying they look out for players and others are heartless. As with most negative recruiting, the actual facts won't matter. With the positives and negatives here...probably a wash. It will just depend how the individual players views all these things to be honest.
 
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Devo182 said:
No time for waivers is the issue. Ain't happenin for underclassmen.

The recruiting thing...not sure I get. Maybe it affects a few, but we're talking future recruits, 2021 2022 etc. Doesn't affect them. Then there will be the spinroom from B1G and PAC saying they look out for players and others are heartless. As with most negative recruiting, the actual facts won't matter. With the positives and negatives here...probably a wash. It will just depend how the individual players views all these things to be honest.
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I think the majority of players who have put in all this time preparing for years are going to be seriously upset that their opportunity has been snatched away from them.
 
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Devo182 said:
No time for waivers is the issue. Ain't happenin for underclassmen.

The recruiting thing...not sure I get. Maybe it affects a few, but we're talking future recruits, 2021 2022 etc. Doesn't affect them. Then there will be the spinroom from B1G and PAC saying they look out for players and others are heartless. As with most negative recruiting, the actual facts won't matter. With the positives and negatives here...probably a wash. It will just depend how the individual players views all these things to be honest.
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Do players retain the year of eligibility? If so, teams will have one year of space for two incoming classes. Can't recruit for spots that don't exist.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
I think the majority of players who have put in all this time preparing for years are going to be seriously upset that their opportunity has been snatched away from them.
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Current players, yeah I agree there are some very unhappy kids rn. I can't imagine that being taken from you without being heard first or given the option yourself.

Who knows, maybe they get real aggressive and stick an attorney on the NCAA real fast to force their hand on immediate eligibility...on the other hand B1G and PAC would throw a huge tantrum. HUGE tantrum 🤡
 
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Devo182 said:
Current players, yeah I agree there are some very unhappy kids rn. I can't imagine that being taken from you without being heard first or given the option yourself.

Who knows, maybe they get real aggressive and stick an attorney on the NCAA real fast to force their hand on immediate eligibility...on the other hand B1G and PAC would throw a huge tantrum. HUGE tantrum 🤡
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What a mess!
 
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