2020 Presidential Race

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volfanjustin said:
These last few posts show exactly why O'Biden is going to lose, no democrat/far left person here can say anything positive about him or why they are voting FOR him
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Guess you haven't been paying attention. Also, why is it bad to oppose a person now for a vote, when you all basically said you voted against Hillary just because of who she was? Surely you aren't holding a double standard.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Do you think Biden is equivalent to a rock? I may have asked you that before.

I don’t.

I don’t think Biden meets some standard of “ideal candidate,” mostly because that’s nebulous and doesn’t really exist. He’s experienced. He’s worked in the legislative and executive branches and was effective and respected in both places. He’s not the most polished speaker. He’s not incredibly consistent over a long career, although that’s an overrated criteria. He’s somebody I would have been happy to see on the other side of the ticket in any of the past 4 elections because I wouldn’t have felt like **** would hit the fan if my guy lost. In fact, I don’t have any more reticence about voting for Biden than I did Gary Johnson, Romney, McCain, or Bush. So the flight 93 election narrative is not persuasive.

I can watch the hour long speech he gave 5 days ago and easily dispel the “dementia” and “only done short canned remarks for weeks,” criticisms.

I can watch how he acts with kids and the pedophile thing seems like nonsense, to me. I don’t even really think reasonable minds can differ on the last two. I can’t respect anybody who throws that accusation around with that level of “proof,” tbh.

So I look at his platform:
Expanding Obamacare: Not ideal, but I prefer it over repealing it without a plan to enact any of the positive regulations in Obamacare.
Environmental policies: Here, I agree with the intent, just not the scope.
Criminal justice reform: I’m for all of his stated policies. I doubt he will do them.
I’m against most of his economic and education reforms.
I’ve heard different things on his stance on legalizing marijuana. I think it should be done.
I’m not in favor of his 2nd amendment policies.
I don’t mind his immigration stance.

What distinguishes Biden for me is:
1. I think he respects the institutions of our government and would not attempt to shut down congressional oversight to hide his decisions from public scrutiny, nor do I think he will attempt to undermine the credibility of the Supreme Court
2. He does not have a cult of personality to get away with this, if he tried. The Democratic Party is now a split coalition. It may be 60/30/10, but it was the pragmatic 70 that voted for Biden. The crazy people may not even vote for him. I don’t think that coalition will stand by him the way Republicans have with Trump, unless republicans continue to make angry populist grifters the face of the party.
3. He seems willing to work across aisle and is empathetic enough to attempt to govern in everyone’s best interest, as opposed to trying to inflict pain on people who didn’t vote for him.
4. I think he actually wants to do the job and will prepare for it and take it seriously. I think he has the intelligence and experience to do that.
5. I think his foreign policy decisions will be better, although they really couldn’t be much worse and this really gets back to point 4.

I reserve my right to change my mind after seeing his VP candidate but I’m most likely voting for Biden and have no qualms about it. People acting like he’s a once in a generation bad candidate seem hysterical, IMO.

Biden is realizing we chose the wrong path at that fork in the road and while turning around may not be ideal, it’s better than going the wrong direction entirely.
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File this under 3 & 4.
 
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hog88 said:
So until Covid and the Dem controlled states shut down black unemployment was falling like a rock. I'm not sure that chart helps your case.
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Are you saying that states with Republican governors such as Georgia, Florida and Texas didn't also shut down? Are you saying that these states aren't showing increases in black unemployment? Because if so... you are wrong on both counts.
 
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VolnJC said:
Not at all calling one side a racist and ignoring your own guy shows how little they really care about racism. Again the left has no ideology other than more power
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I wouldn't ignore anything but that which is obviously a desperate ploy. The Biden as racist rhetoric isn't going to fly.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Are you saying that states with Republican governors such as Georgia, Florida and Texas didn't also shut down? Are you saying that these states aren't showing increases in black unemployment? Because if so... you are wrong on both counts.
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Sure let's lay it at their feet also, still his chart doesn't support the argument he was trying to make.
 
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volbeast33 said:
This election reminds me of when I was a coach of an adult softball team.... my best friend was shortstop but he was struggling some.... IMO he was our only choice for shortstop bc I knew no one else on the team could play the position at all. Several people complained saying I played him bc he was my friend.... I told them bring me someone and I will try them there..... They showed up with this goofy, unathletic guy that claimed he tried out for the Seattle mariners( I knew anyone can try out bc it is open try outs). I made my friend mad by moving him but just like I thought the guy was a disaster at short.

This election reminds me of that..... I like some of the things trump does but am definitely open to voting democrat if they offered a better option.... They had four years to get ready and they brought us Joe Freaking Biden.....His interviews are so strange and embarrassing.... I will be voting for Trump this year.
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I have a similar view of it all. I would even vote for Mark Cuban if he was on the ballot and I lean conservative. But Biden will be a disaster. He’s just a husk, and a Trojan horse for the extreme progressive left who want to turn this country into the next Venezuela.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Guess you haven't been paying attention. Also, why is it bad to oppose a person now for a vote, when you all basically said you voted against Hillary just because of who she was? Surely you aren't holding a double standard.
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People were very excited to vote for Trump, it wasn't simply a vote against your girl
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
Trumps weighs executive action to suspend evictions, payroll tax
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Awww, yes. Governance by way of executive orders when you can't get the legislation you want passed through Congress. That is exactly the sort of thing which Republicans in Congress (and Fox News talk show hosts) accused Barack Obama of abusing the power of his office over. As a matter of fact, 2016 Presidential candidate Donald Trump, once tweeted that President Obama should be impeached for his overuse of executive orders. Senate Republicans made it clear that the payroll tax cut was a no-go right now... but Trump must have his way.
 
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