2020 Presidential Race

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JCP201 said:
At least I have hopes that Biden's staff will be knowledgeable and not ego stroking enablers.
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Lol. You didnt pay attention to what Obama did, did you? Holder, the IRS, FBI, DOE. I am sure the rest were too, I just cant think of specifics.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Joe Biden should make his campaign slogan "But Trump!".

Y'all seem to be on board.
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Luther has admitted that is all he cares about.

He doesnt even argue higher ground anymore, see his back and forth with PJ. He only cares about his version of filth.
 
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LouderVol said:
Luther has admitted that is all he cares about.

He doesnt even argue higher ground anymore, see his back and forth with PJ. He only cares about his version of filth.
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I mean I get it.

I just think everyone needs to get a grip and realize that criticism for either one of these jokers isn't some ringing endorsement for the other. There is a discussion to be had for who is worse, but neither is good.
 
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LouderVol said:
Luther has admitted that is all he cares about.

He doesnt even argue higher ground anymore, see his back and forth with PJ. He only cares about his version of filth.
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LOL.............
It's not like I'm the only one in the "I would vote for a rock over Trump" camp.
And it's not that I want a rock for president, only that a rock is preferable to Trump.
Finally, I never gave up on higher ground; I just acknowledge that anything above the lowest ground is by definition higher.

With whose version of filth are you most concerned?
 
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luthervol said:
LOL.............
It's not like I'm the only one in the "I would vote for a rock over Trump" camp.
And it's not that I want a rock for president, only that a rock is preferable to Trump.
Finally, I never gave up on higher ground; I just acknowledge that anything above the lowest ground is by definition higher.
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If you are voting for O'Biden then you are voting for a rock
 
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luthervol said:
LOL.............
It's not like I'm the only one in the "I would vote for a rock over Trump" camp.
And it's not that I want a rock for president, only that a rock is preferable to Trump.
Finally, I never gave up on higher ground; I just acknowledge that anything above the lowest ground is by definition higher.

With whose version of filth are you cost concerned?
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Interesting, almost Freudian, slip in your question?

Right now Bidens version of things looks worse than Trump, imo. But to Trumps credit, he is actively trying to close the gap.

PreCovid stimulus BS Trumps filth was mostly confined to douchebaggery. Since then he has been acting like he is running for the Democrats giving away free stuff, and not looking at the long term consquences. He has never looked long term, but like I said before most of Trumps faults have politically been pretty minor, and mostly associated with what he HASNT done, vs what he has done. The stimulus is the first with some real oomph behind it.

Meanwhile Biden has already fully explored and exploited those avenues Trump is starting to explore. And pretty much all of the stuff he is promoting has plenty of bad oomph to it.

As much as Trump rightly gets hated on for his childish antics when dealing with other world leaders there is no way Biden can go through those interactions without a shock collar.
 
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LouderVol said:
Interesting, almost Freudian, slip in your question?

Right now Bidens version of things looks worse than Trump, imo. But to Trumps credit, he is actively trying to close the gap.

PreCovid stimulus BS Trumps filth was mostly confined to douchebaggery. Since then he has been acting like he is running for the Democrats giving away free stuff, and not looking at the long term consquences. He has never looked long term, but like I said before most of Trumps faults have politically been pretty minor, and mostly associated with what he HASNT done, vs what he has done. The stimulus is the first with some real oomph behind it.

Meanwhile Biden has already fully explored and exploited those avenues Trump is starting to explore. And pretty much all of the stuff he is promoting has plenty of bad oomph to it.

As much as Trump rightly gets hated on for his childish antics when dealing with other world leaders there is no way Biden can go through those interactions without a shock collar.
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So your version of filth, got it.
But that's okay, everyone operates within the constraints of their own version.
Again, that's where critical mass comes into play; enough people adopting the same version.
And that's what 2020 is all about.
The historical record will sort the rest.
 
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luthervol said:
LOL.............
It's not like I'm the only one in the "I would vote for a rock over Trump" camp.
And it's not that I want a rock for president, only that a rock is preferable to Trump.
Finally, I never gave up on higher ground; I just acknowledge that anything above the lowest ground is by definition higher.

With whose version of filth are you most concerned?
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Would you vote for Nancy Pelosi? I find that woman to be more despicable than Hillary Clinton.
 
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luthervol said:
LOL.............
It's not like I'm the only one in the "I would vote for a rock over Trump" camp.
And it's not that I want a rock for president, only that a rock is preferable to Trump.
Finally, I never gave up on higher ground; I just acknowledge that anything above the lowest ground is by definition higher.

With whose version of filth are you cost concerned?
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Do you think Biden is equivalent to a rock? I may have asked you that before.

I don’t.

I don’t think Biden meets some standard of “ideal candidate,” mostly because that’s nebulous and doesn’t really exist. He’s experienced. He’s worked in the legislative and executive branches and was effective and respected in both places. He’s not the most polished speaker. He’s not incredibly consistent over a long career, although that’s an overrated criteria. He’s somebody I would have been happy to see on the other side of the ticket in any of the past 4 elections because I wouldn’t have felt like **** would hit the fan if my guy lost. In fact, I don’t have any more reticence about voting for Biden than I did Gary Johnson, Romney, McCain, or Bush. So the flight 93 election narrative is not persuasive.

I can watch the hour long speech he gave 5 days ago and easily dispel the “dementia” and “only done short canned remarks for weeks,” criticisms.

I can watch how he acts with kids and the pedophile thing seems like nonsense, to me. I don’t even really think reasonable minds can differ on the last two. I can’t respect anybody who throws that accusation around with that level of “proof,” tbh.

So I look at his platform:
Expanding Obamacare: Not ideal, but I prefer it over repealing it without a plan to enact any of the positive regulations in Obamacare.
Environmental policies: Here, I agree with the intent, just not the scope.
Criminal justice reform: I’m for all of his stated policies. I doubt he will do them.
I’m against most of his economic and education reforms.
I’ve heard different things on his stance on legalizing marijuana. I think it should be done.
I’m not in favor of his 2nd amendment policies.
I don’t mind his immigration stance.

What distinguishes Biden for me is:
1. I think he respects the institutions of our government and would not attempt to shut down congressional oversight to hide his decisions from public scrutiny, nor do I think he will attempt to undermine the credibility of the Supreme Court
2. He does not have a cult of personality to get away with this, if he tried. The Democratic Party is now a split coalition. It may be 60/30/10, but it was the pragmatic 70 that voted for Biden. The crazy people may not even vote for him. I don’t think that coalition will stand by him the way Republicans have with Trump, unless republicans continue to make angry populist grifters the face of the party.
3. He seems willing to work across aisle and is empathetic enough to attempt to govern in everyone’s best interest, as opposed to trying to inflict pain on people who didn’t vote for him.
4. I think he actually wants to do the job and will prepare for it and take it seriously. I think he has the intelligence and experience to do that.
5. I think his foreign policy decisions will be better, although they really couldn’t be much worse and this really gets back to point 4.

I reserve my right to change my mind after seeing his VP candidate but I’m most likely voting for Biden and have no qualms about it. People acting like he’s a once in a generation bad candidate seem hysterical, IMO.

Biden is realizing we chose the wrong path at that fork in the road and while turning around may not be ideal, it’s better than going the wrong direction entirely.
 
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luthervol said:
So your version of filth, got it.
But that's okay, everyone operates within the constraints of their own version.
Again, that's where critical mass comes into play; enough people adopting the same version.
And that's what 2020 is all about.
The historical record will sort the rest.
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Only if you trust the victor to write the truth.

I dont.
 
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