Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[Stew Cook]

What's the ROI on it?

My risk for hospitalization is like .1%. Unless I am giving the Gettysburg Address to a bunch of geriatrics in the hospice ward their risk of me causing a hospitalization is less than .3%.

A mask takes me ALL the way down to a what .09%? And someone else to a .29%? Assuming everything is as good as a civilian using a mask could be.

I sweat like a pig, you stick a mask on me and I sweat even more. Meaning today when I got home my mask was soaked thru after a site visit. Which we have been told wet masks are worse than no masks, because now even my breathing is spreading even more possibly infected moisture to the air than I would otherwise.

At least you acknowledge you are statistically a contributor to the spread. Masks aren't the end-be-all of protection. Some people aren't going to be inconvenienced, no matter how bad it gets, and I'm not going to change anyone's mind, apparently.

One thing is for sure, the less people that wear them, the less people are going to feel like they should.

 

[UT_VOLS13]

Imagine being so evil that a self perceived political win is worth screwing over the entire citizenry of the country you vowed allegiance to serve.

We have multiple on this board that believes and worships Nancy Pelosi. Everyone knows who you are!!

 

[Stew Cook]

Imagine being so evil that a self perceived political win is worth screwing over the entire citizenry of the country you vowed allegiance to serve.

It's kind of like when someone reads a Fox News article and gets all steamed at the article's characterization of a bi-partisan bill

 

[0nelilreb]

We've previously discussed the Broward ordinance on masks in the homes -- its when you have visitors.

As usual, the right wing hysteria, facts be damned, strikes again.

Using “Brown shirt “ tactics to get people to do your bidding is not right wing hysteria , it’s just sheep mentality for trying to excuse it away .

 

[RikidyBones]

Wat.

You're the one implying that the 'developing human' be afforded rights (e.g. "the patient", being "murdered"), not I. On the contrary, I don't believe an unviable fetus qualifies in any way shape or form as being a party in the decision making process.

If your argument doesn't sink or swim on "rights", then it's based solely on feelz - I'm not sure this strengthens your argument the way you think it does. Again, all this secondary to my point that you should keep your arbitrary feelings out of the medical decisions made by a patient and her physician.

The only arbitrary thing is when you decide to afford rights to a human. That 'when' argument is easily made between races, genders, weight class, economic class, religion and its arbitrarily placed here as well.

Your definition of viability is arbitrary.

Every argument you have is arbitrary. None of it is absolute, which makes your argument based on factless nonsense and requires dehumanizing.

 

[RikidyBones]

It's kind of like when someone reads a Fox News article and gets all steamed at the article's characterization of a bi-partisan bill

tl;dr

 

[BeecherVol]

Clearly.
I’ll try not to overestimate potential readers in the future.

There are plenty of fish in sea. I'm sure you ll hook a few more.
Enjoy.

 

[volfanjustin]

So, enforcing masks good and we need law enforcement to do so.

Law enforcement stopping vandalism and riots bad, and we need to defund?

left wing lunacy strikes again.

Yeap the same ones calling for defunding the police and saying we are over policed now want those same cops to fine me for not wearing a mask. Crazy times

 

[LouderVol]

At least you acknowledge you are statistically a contributor to the spread. Masks aren't the end-be-all of protection. Some people aren't going to be inconvenienced, no matter how bad it gets, and I'm not going to change anyone's mind, apparently.

One thing is for sure, the less people that wear them, the less people are going to feel like they should.

If they arent the end all be all why enforce it to the point where you are sending people to jail over it?

Unless you have a darn good reason for that enforcement I dont see how you arent admitting that the mask issue is about controlling people not the disease.

 

[Stew Cook]

If they arent the end all be all why enforce it to the point where you are sending people to jail over it?

Unless you have a darn good reason for that enforcement I dont see how you arent admitting that the mask issue is about controlling people not the disease.

The problem pretty much is rectifying itself. As things get worse, businesses are starting to mandate masks. Hopefully they won't have to put attendants in the bathrooms to make sure you wash your hands.

Too many people take it personal, like a judge telling you to go put on a collared shirt, or a tie or something. You won't see me shaming anyone for not having one, but that doesn't mean that peer pressure won't eventually wear people down.

 

[volfanjustin]

We've previously discussed the Broward ordinance on masks in the homes -- its when you have visitors.

As usual, the right wing hysteria, facts be damned, strikes again.

It’s still not any of the mayors damn business who is wearing a mask in someone’s home. Another tyrant wannabe

 

[Mick]

The problem pretty much is rectifying itself. As things get worse, businesses are starting to mandate masks. Hopefully they won't have to put attendants in the bathrooms to make sure you wash your hands.

Too many people take it personal, like a judge telling you to go put on a collared shirt, or a tie or something. You won't see me shaming anyone for not having one, but that doesn't mean that peer pressure won't eventually wear people down.

If you could shame the shameless, you wouldn't still be having this conversation.

 

[Stew Cook]

If you could shame the shameless, you wouldn't still be having this conversation.

I'm not necessarily saying that applies to the preceding exchange with Louder... But there are some on here, that I'm fully aware of the futility.

 

[LouderVol]

The problem pretty much is rectifying itself. As things get worse, businesses are starting to mandate masks. Hopefully they won't have to put attendants in the bathrooms to make sure you wash your hands.

Too many people take it personal, like a judge telling you to go put on a collared shirt, or a tie or something. You won't see me shaming anyone for not having one, but that doesn't mean that peer pressure won't eventually wear people down.

Then leave it at that. Most of us dont say crap about a business doing it. Personally at least I dont have an issue with them doing it.

No need for the government to get involved.

 

[0nelilreb]

The problem pretty much is rectifying itself. As things get worse, businesses are starting to mandate masks. Hopefully they won't have to put attendants in the bathrooms to make sure you wash your hands.

Too many people take it personal, like a judge telling you to go put on a collared shirt, or a tie or something. You won't see me shaming anyone for not having one, but that doesn't mean that peer pressure won't eventually wear people down.

LOL @ a guy being placed in a restroom to force you to do anything . You should apply at a pilot or flying J for that job around San Antonio . Let us know how its working out for you .

 

[0nelilreb]

I'm not necessarily saying that applies to the preceding exchange with Louder... But there are some on here, that I'm fully aware of the futility.

Raises hand .. I can’t or won’t be shamed into doing something against my will . That’s just another way to try and manipulate someone .

 

[Stew Cook]

Then leave it at that. Most of us dont say crap about a business doing it. Personally at least I dont have an issue with them doing it.

No need for the government to get involved.

Well, I'm not the boss of anyone. So, doesn't really matter what I think. Although hard decisions aren't always the right ones, and not necessarily wrong ones either. I just know that I'm not making them for anyone else.

 

[Stew Cook]

LOL @ a guy being placed in a restroom to force you to do anything . You should apply at a pilot or flying J for that job around San Antonio . Let us know how its working out for you .

If I did, one thing is for sure, I'll be wearing a very good mask.

 

[0nelilreb]

Well, I'm not the boss of anyone. So, doesn't really matter what I think. Although hard decisions aren't always the right ones, and not necessarily wrong ones either. I just know that I'm not making them for anyone else.

That is all very true , if more people looked at it that way we wouldn’t have issues with the wear or don’t wear a mask .

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[0nelilreb]

If I did, one thing is for sure, I'll be wearing a very good mask.

I’d suggest a respirator especially early in the mornings .

 

[Stew Cook]

That is all very true , if more people looked at it that way we wouldn’t have issues with the wear or don’t wear a mask .

I'd like to believe that, but that doesn't stop anyone from arguing anyway. Especially here.

 

[Septic]

The only arbitrary thing is when you decide to afford rights to a human. That 'when' argument is easily made between races, genders, weight class, economic class, religion and its arbitrarily placed here as well.

Your definition of viability is arbitrary.

Every argument you have is arbitrary. None of it is absolute, which makes your argument based on factless nonsense and requires dehumanizing.

I've stated on numerous occasions that I agree with the medical concensus of 20 weeks as being viable outside of the womb and disagreed with abortion past that point. Had you bothered to ask, I'd have gladly told you.

Before you cast judgment from your ivory tower of moral truth, don't forget to chime in on what gives your opinion on the matter more weight than the medical decisions of people that aren't you.

 

[0nelilreb]

I'd like to believe that, but that doesn't stop anyone from arguing anyway. Especially here.

Nah , arguing is fun or we wouldn’t do it .

 

[clarksvol00]

I heard about one guy in Texas, they had him come back 15 straight days to get tested so they marked him down as 15 cases. Also a guy and his wife went for the test, filled out all the paperwork but got tired of waiting and never took the test, both received letters saying they tested positive. I can only assume hospitals and clinics get paid for positive tests

I bet you heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another they'd been testing around.