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D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser: Masks Mandatory for 3-Year-Olds Outside, Adult Violators Fined $1,000
D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser: Masks Mandatory for 3-Year-Olds Outside


Broward County Emergency Order Urges Residents to Enforce Mask Orders in Their Homes

Broward County Urges Residents to Enforce Mask Orders at Home

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz Announces Statewide Mask Order

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz Announces Statewide Mask Order

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine Announces Statewide Mask Mandate

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine Announces Statewide Mask Mandate
 
So you’re trying to justify conspiracy to commit murder? Ok then.

If you mean staying out of the decision making process between a physician and patient - then I'm not trying to "justify the conspiracy", I'm openly rooting for it.

If you don't want an abortion - don't have one. Either way, keep your morality to yourself.
 
If you mean staying out of the decision making process between a physician and patient - then I'm not trying to "justify the conspiracy", I'm openly rooting for it.

If you don't want an abortion - don't have one. Either way, keep your morality to yourself.
It's a horribly flawed argument on your part. The unborn is a "patient" as well. Your argument is just a mother and a doctor conspiring to kill a developing human, and veiling it in some bullshat claim of a "process." I would describe those as a bad mother and a bad doctor. If you really believe that in your heart of hearts, then you sir are equally just as bad.

If you don't like slavery, don't own one. Just more terrible, vacuous arguments from you. i notice you've danced away from the "rights" issue, since you know that will lead you down a path you can't defend.
My morality? I'm assuming you want law and order?
 
I get it. I guess my question is, at what level of risk to the general population, would a Gov mask mandate be reasonable?

I know hardliners might say, it's never reasonable, but I don't think that reflects reality.
It makes sense in a very strict sense for a world wide pandemic. For a very limited amount of time.

You would see a completely different reaction if the government was reasonable about this stuff, and acted like adults. People would be more likely to listen. Instead you have a bunch of children squabbling about this, with both sides flipping roles at least once, that has anyone paying attention not fully buying what the government is selling.

Like if from the start it was, "hey guys we need to do this for a month, from March 10th to April 10th, everyone wears a mask. That will let us flatten the curve and then we go back to normal." I think if that had been the situation you would see a much higher percentage of mask wearing at that time, with much less biching. At least I could buy that bs.

Instead what we have seen is the Dems started a fight with Trump doing something about the spread. And then when they looked dumb they doubled down. And once they doubled down Trump got dumb(er). And suddenly a health issue, became a political issue. See these posts in here about non-mask wearers being Trumpers. I just road MARTA here in Atlanta, if that was true Biden has no shot. So instead of being adults, it immediately turned into political childish insults. Which makes it difficult to take serious. So now you have the public who have seen both sides flip their arguments, watched the CDC and WHO flip their arguments, watched the message go from "flatten the curve" to "no deaths". So in the actual situation at hand you have people choosing not to wear masks just because they are over the BS. Nobody could stay on message, no one could deliver on actual dates, no one even knows what the goal is now. Heck Cuomo is being celebrated now after all that happened there.

It's not crazy to think that people are going to treat this differently than a "reasonable government mandate".

Throw in the backwards business closings with mom and pops shuttered while thousands are encouraged to go to Walmart. And it's hard to say we are seeing well thought out government guidelines.
 
No, just saying that a cloth mask will stop a covid lung projectile from landing in your mouth, as well as stop one from exiting the wearer. Am I wrong?
Who the eff gets sneezed on this much to think cloth masks make enough of a difference to throw people in jail/fine them for not wearing one?

I ride public transportation and even the effing homeless cover/turn away from others when they sneeze.

Kids would be the one concern, but if you are close to one of those puss bags there are more creative/disgusting ways for them to spread the disease if you are getting THAT close to them.
 
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It's a horribly flawed argument on your part. The unborn is a "patient" as well. Your argument is just a mother and a doctor conspiring to kill a developing human, and veiling it in some bullshat claim of a "process." I would describe those as a bad mother and a bad doctor. If you really believe that in your heart of hearts, then you sir are equally just as bad.

If you don't like slavery, don't own one. Just more terrible, vacuous arguments from you. i notice you've danced away from the "rights" issue, since you know that will lead you down a path you can't defend.
My morality? I'm assuming you want law and order?

Can't defend? Danced away? LOL No, I just don't see the fun in debating a topic in which you've assumed that 'developing human' has "rights." We can keep talking past each other if you choose, but inevitably you'll keep stomping your feet and demanding I acknowledge that you've unilaterally decided that everyone must accept your rationale of what a human is as the only acceptable one. Pfft.

No matter the conviction of your feelz, your argument would only carry weight with me If I agreed with your premise that unviable fetus had rights. I don't believe it does and no river of tears is going to convince me otherwise.

All of this is secondary to my initial point however, and that's that your rants of 'bad mothers and doctors' is none of your damn business to begin with. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" Jethro 7:1
 
Who the eff gets sneezed on this much to think cloth masks make enough of a difference to throw people in jail/fine them for not wearing one?

I ride public transportation and even the effing homeless cover/turn away from others when they sneeze.

Kids would be the one concern, but if you are close to one of those puss bags there are more creative/disgusting ways for them to spread the disease if you are getting THAT close to them.

Talking has the same effect, although less noticeable than coughing and sneezing. Masks, even paper ones, are a prophylactic that slows the spread. Arguing that it doesn't do enough to bother with, isn't something that I'm going to agree with.
 
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D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser: Masks Mandatory for 3-Year-Olds Outside, Adult Violators Fined $1,000
D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser: Masks Mandatory for 3-Year-Olds Outside


Broward County Emergency Order Urges Residents to Enforce Mask Orders in Their Homes

Broward County Urges Residents to Enforce Mask Orders at Home

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz Announces Statewide Mask Order

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz Announces Statewide Mask Order

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine Announces Statewide Mask Mandate

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine Announces Statewide Mask Mandate

Probably taking their cues from Donny.

Everyone wants to be patriotic like him. g'head FP - don't delay, hit up dollar tree and get your masks before they run out.
 
Probably taking their cues from Donny.

Everyone wants to be patriotic like him. g'head FP - don't delay, hit up dollar tree and get your masks before they run out.
Don't forget the GOYA beans.

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D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser: Masks Mandatory for 3-Year-Olds Outside, Adult Violators Fined $1,000
D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser: Masks Mandatory for 3-Year-Olds Outside


Broward County Emergency Order Urges Residents to Enforce Mask Orders in Their Homes

Broward County Urges Residents to Enforce Mask Orders at Home

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz Announces Statewide Mask Order

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz Announces Statewide Mask Order

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine Announces Statewide Mask Mandate

Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine Announces Statewide Mask Mandate


We've previously discussed the Broward ordinance on masks in the homes -- its when you have visitors.

As usual, the right wing hysteria, facts be damned, strikes again.
 
Can't defend? Danced away? LOL No, I just don't see the fun in debating a topic in which you've assumed that 'developing human' has "rights." We can keep talking past each other if you choose, but inevitably you'll keep stomping your feet and demanding I acknowledge that you've unilaterally decided that everyone must accept your rationale of what a human is as the only acceptable one. Pfft.

No matter the conviction of your feelz, your argument would only carry weight with me If I agreed with your premise that unviable fetus had rights. I don't believe it does and no river of tears is going to convince me otherwise.

All of this is secondary to my initial point however, and that's that your rants of 'bad mothers and doctors' is none of your damn business to begin with. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" Jethro 7:1

I've already challenged you twice to provide a grounding of "rights" and you've ignored it.
My argument doesn't sink or swim on rights. As soon as you provide a framework for ANY human rights we can have that discussion. Where do human rights come from? Who decides when you or I get them?
Please, do tell.

Just more bad arguments and dancing.
 
We've previously discussed the Broward ordinance on masks in the homes -- its when you have visitors.

As usual, the right wing hysteria, facts be damned, strikes again.
So, enforcing masks good and we need law enforcement to do so.

Law enforcement stopping vandalism and riots bad, and we need to defund?

left wing lunacy strikes again.
 
So, enforcing masks good and we need law enforcement to do so.

Law enforcement stopping vandalism and riots bad, and we need to defund?

left wing lunacy strikes again.


Are you one of those who looks back on the '68 Chicago "riots" and sees the cops as the good guys?

Things aren't always so intuitive or black and white.
 
I've already challenged you twice to provide a grounding of "rights" and you've ignored it.
My argument doesn't sink or swim on rights. As soon as you provide a framework for ANY human rights we can have that discussion. Where do human rights come from? Who decides when you or I get them?
Please, do tell.

Just more bad arguments and dancing.

What is the grounding of your framework?
 
I've already challenged you twice to provide a grounding of "rights" and you've ignored it.
My argument doesn't sink or swim on rights. As soon as you provide a framework for ANY human rights we can have that discussion. Where do human rights come from? Who decides when you or I get them?
Please, do tell.

Just more bad arguments and dancing.

Wat.

You're the one implying that the 'developing human' be afforded rights (e.g. "the patient", being "murdered"), not I. On the contrary, I don't believe an unviable fetus qualifies in any way shape or form as being a party in the decision making process.

If your argument doesn't sink or swim on "rights", then it's based solely on feelz - I'm not sure this strengthens your argument the way you think it does. Again, all this secondary to my point that you should keep your arbitrary feelings out of the medical decisions made by a patient and her physician.
 
Talking has the same effect, although less noticeable than coughing and sneezing. Masks, even paper ones, are a prophylactic that slows the spread. Arguing that it doesn't do enough to bother with, isn't something that I'm going to agree with.
What's the ROI on it?

My risk for hospitalization is like .1%. Unless I am giving the Gettysburg Address to a bunch of geriatrics in the hospice ward their risk of me causing a hospitalization is less than .3%.

A mask takes me ALL the way down to a what .09%? And someone else to a .29%? Assuming everything is as good as a civilian using a mask could be.

I sweat like a pig, you stick a mask on me and I sweat even more. Meaning today when I got home my mask was soaked thru after a site visit. Which we have been told wet masks are worse than no masks, because now even my breathing is spreading even more possibly infected moisture to the air than I would otherwise.
 
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Well, that’s one apology out of a million lies and insults he’s thrown out. He has a LONG way to go to balance that scale. Hint: He’ll never get there because he adds 10 more to the negative side every day. Not sure why he feels the need for personal insults. Usually that’s a function of extreme insecurity. But I know he is a pathological liar and that’s not debatable.
Yes, coming from the most hypocrical poster on Volnation.....👏
 
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