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They prepare ahead..... numerous times they have planned ahead and not needed the things.... why is it so hard to show the stats?
 
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That one hospital maybe. 99% of all other normal hospitals arent doing that One small hospital in a major population area with terrible leadership isn’t indicative of the issue
 
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volfanhill said:
You and I have a fundamental difference of opinion on the role the federal government plays.
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Among other things.

What role do you think the federal government plays and why?

My answer:

The federal government has subsumed the role of managing an extensive emergency preparedness apparatus tasked with identifyIng issues, developing solutions, and communicatIng their work in the form of advice and counsel. The federal government has also taken in the responsibility of supplementing state resources.

This isn’t my opinion. It is one reason for the existence of the CDC, it is the reason for the medical stockpile, it is the reason for NSC and DHS pandemic preparedness units.

And it makes good sense. The role is well-suited to the federal government with respect to national issues, because it is better funded and, as we are seeing on an international level, a coordinated, unified, science-based response is better than a piecemeal response.

So, the federal government has the best capability for providing expertise and guidance with respect to Trump Virus.

Therefore, when Trump Virus became a national issues, the utilization of the federal apparatus became a responsibility.

Therefore, in my opinion, the federal government has both the responsibility and capacity to lend resources, advice, and counsel to state and local governments with the aim of resolving pressing, predictable issues, such as “where to house contagious persons who live in nursing homes.”
Responsibility for the outcome then flows to the federal government when those issues are resolved improperly.

If it had come out that these services were being offered to states like New York and they had chosen to go a different route, then I would say the governors are solely responsible. The opposite conclusion appears to be supported by all of the evidence.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
It’s hard to know for sure. When he did mention putting out a reopening plan a lot of the Dem governors said they would ignore it. However, you’re not talking about a reopening plan so maybe they would’ve been more open to something like you mention. Neither side seems too interested in working with the other which is sad during something like this.
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Agree again. (Is that a record?)

It seems like democrats have taken the position that they’ll listen to the science based recommendations like CDC guidelines. If those things had gone out and been ignored, I’d see that as a break in the chain of responsibility. May still turn out that it happened but statements by DeSantis and Kemp, plus that Hogan oped lead me to believe it did not.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
That’s a remedial action, it doesn’t prevent the broken play. Trump’s not responsible for failing to remedy the employment of the guy who made that call. But he is one of the people ultimately responsible for the outcome.
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Exactly. He's not responsible for replacing his incompetence. No more than he was responsible for his incompetence being present to begin with.
Now had he been responsible for Cuomo being in position to screw up the play you have an analogy that makes sense. Otherwise Cuomo is in charge of his calamities in NY. Trump has his own.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Exactly. He's not responsible for replacing his incompetence. No more than he was responsible for his incompetence being present to begin with.
Now had he been responsible for Cuomo being in position to screw up the play you have an analogy that makes sense. Otherwise Cuomo is in charge of his calamities in NY. Trump has his own.
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This is partially incorrect for reasons I’ve explained in other posts.
 
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Septic said:
Are you conflating a global pandemic of an infectious disease and inserting your arbitrary sense of morality in between a woman and her health care provider?

LOL, classic jussie.
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So you’re trying to justify conspiracy to commit murder? Ok then.
 
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2 questions:

Why doesn't the media and leftists mayors/governors ever mention the death rate?

If masks work so well, why didn't they issue that mandate instead of shutting everything down?
 
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volfanjustin said:
2 questions:

Why doesn't the media and leftists mayors/governors ever mention the death rate?

If masks work so well, why didn't they issue that mandate instead of shutting everything down?
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Have you noticed they never show the deaths by age demographic? Never.....
Also, there are people that test positive for covid......go back a week later and test positive again...well guess what? The second test gets counted again as a new positive test....further inflating the number of "new" cases.
 
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84Volfan said:
Wrong once again....but whatever makes you feel better about yourself. He doesn't do it as much as he should because he does make a great many mistakes but he has apologized several times during his political career.

Trump Apologizes For Impeachment Comment After Learning Disturbing History Of 1918 Lynching Of German American Immigrant Robert Prager



And before you accuse me of being a Trumpster because I proved you wrong know this; I am not sure who I am voting for in November.
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Well, that’s one apology out of a million lies and insults he’s thrown out. He has a LONG way to go to balance that scale. Hint: He’ll never get there because he adds 10 more to the negative side every day. Not sure why he feels the need for personal insults. Usually that’s a function of extreme insecurity. But I know he is a pathological liar and that’s not debatable.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Have you noticed they never show the deaths by age demographic? Never.....
Also, there are people that test positive for covid......go back a week later and test positive again...well guess what? The second test gets counted again as a new positive test....further inflating the number of "new" cases.
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I heard about one guy in Texas, they had him come back 15 straight days to get tested so they marked him down as 15 cases. Also a guy and his wife went for the test, filled out all the paperwork but got tired of waiting and never took the test, both received letters saying they tested positive. I can only assume hospitals and clinics get paid for positive tests
 
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volfanjustin said:
2 questions:

Why doesn't the media and leftists mayors/governors ever mention the death rate?

If masks work so well, why didn't they issue that mandate instead of shutting everything down?
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They should have done that from the very beginning. Other countries had already implemented them so it wasn’t some novel idea invented by America
 
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BeecherVol said:
There are a ton of things "explained" on this site everyday.
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Here’s a few more:

The analogy illustrates one concept: that accountability flows to people in positions of leadership, despite the lack of a direct causal relationship between the leader and the event.

That’s it.

It’s not meant to illustrate the precise events that cause the accountability to transfer to Donald Trump. That was explained, without analogy, in other posts.

Furthermore, the ability to replace the person directly responsible is not the only way that accountability accrues to leaders, and is not even the primary impetus for the coach in the analogy to be held responsible for the unforeseeable mistakes of his players.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I heard about one guy in Texas, they had him come back 15 straight days to get tested so they marked him down as 15 cases. Also a guy and his wife went for the test, filled out all the paperwork but got tired of waiting and never took the test, both received letters saying they tested positive. I can only assume hospitals and clinics get paid for positive tests
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Anecdotal evidence at best and it works both ways, I could tell you that my brother is the lead shift nurse at an ER in Georgia and they have been hammered
 
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landscapingvol said:
That’s one doctor’s opinion while others disagreed in your own quote. Your politics has influenced your medical opinions and that has happened on both sides of the political prism which has over complicated a difficult situation
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So explain why his medical opinions have been influenced by politics and why yours are not?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Have you noticed they never show the deaths by age demographic? Never.....
Also, there are people that test positive for covid......go back a week later and test positive again...well guess what? The second test gets counted again as a new positive test....further inflating the number of "new" cases.
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Yeah we had someone test positive for 3 straight months..... get two negative tests..... and two weeks later test positive again without being outside or another positive person.
 
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landscapingvol said:
That’s one doctor’s opinion while others disagreed in your own quote. Your politics has influenced your medical opinions and that has happened on both sides of the political prism which has over complicated a difficult situation
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It's only an opinion when the scientist disagrees with your assumption. It's indisputable science when they they agree, amiright?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Here’s a few more:

The analogy illustrates one concept: that accountability flows to people in positions of leadership, despite the lack of a direct causal relationship between the leader and the event.

That’s it.

It’s not meant to illustrate the precise events that cause the accountability to transfer to Donald Trump. That was explained, without analogy, in other posts.

Furthermore, the ability to replace the person directly responsible is not the only way that accountability accrues to leaders, and is not even the primary impetus for the coach in the analogy to be held responsible for the unforeseeable mistakes of his players.
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It was a poor analogy and more explaining didn't make it better.
 
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