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[hog88]

For starters he could have worn a mask. You know, lead by example. He could have shutdown travel to/from Europe sooner.

Even when his chief pandemic advisor said masks were useless?

 

[TennTradition]

The article was posted today....did you read the actual link? Math is pretty simple. If their antibody test is correct you would times the case count by 10 and divide deaths by the new case count cutting the .65 nearly in half....

Allow me

3,900,000x10=39,000,000

143,000÷39,000,000=.00366666

Now move the decimal over 2 places to the right or multiply by 100 bringing you to????

.36%

That’s right in the .3-.4% that other antibody testing has suggested, which I mentioned a few days ago. There are some issues with the method but it wouldn’t surprise me if we end up around that. But that’s still about 3x the SYMPTOMATIC fatality rate for flu.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

You're one of those who if Trump said I like puppies you would find something wrong with it.

Could be sometime by November with large scale distribution at the beginning of next year. We have vaccines entering phase 3 now, usually it takes years just to get that far.

Ok. Who wouldn't have expedited testing for such a pandemic?

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Even when his chief pandemic advisor said masks were useless?

Ever heard of the scientific method? He changed his tune pretty quickly....Fauci that is

 

[hog88]

Irrelevant. We're talking about Trump

Then let's talk about Trump.

He shut down travel from China and got roasted for it.
He got NY more ventilators than they ever needed.
He sent two hospital ships to areas that didn't use them.
He had the Army COE build field hospitals that weren't hardly used.

 

[hog88]

Ever heard of the scientific method? He changed his tune pretty quickly....Fauci that is

2 months is quickly?

 

[newyorkvol]

That’s right in the .3-.4% that other antibody testing has suggested, which I mentioned a few days ago. There are some issues with the method but it wouldn’t surprise me if we end up around that. But that’s still about 3x the SYMPTOMATIC fatality rate for flu.

I like the analytic approach you take to your posts. Could you look at my above post about data collection and specifically the section from the CDC regarding reporting of influenza deaths.

I find it hard to compare rates if the collection points are different.

 

[MG1968]

Then let's talk about Trump.

He shut down travel from China and got roasted for it.
He got NY more ventilators than they ever needed.
He sent two hospital ships to areas that didn't use them.
He had the Army COE build field hospitals that weren't hardly used.

Yeah, but he didn’t wear a mask and talked about HCQ.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Then let's talk about Trump.

He shut down travel from China and got roasted for it.
He got NY more ventilators than they ever needed.
He sent two hospital ships to areas that didn't use them.
He had the Army COE build field hospitals that weren't hardly used.

And continued to stand in front of God and the whole word and lie about every single damn day.

 

[hog88]

And continued to stand in front of God and the whole word and lie about every single damn day.

Lie about what?

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Lie about what?

Really? You really don't pay attention....EVERYTHING

 

[MG1968]

Really? You really don't pay attention....EVERYTHING

Such as?

 

[Roustabout]

I'm not intent on blaming Trump. If you think he's handled this pandemic well as our leader, you haven't been paying attention

I’m not a Trump apologist. I don’t think Trump has spoken well on the situation. As far as handling? He would have been crucified if he shut things down any earlier. Look at what Pelosi and crew we’re saying. Anything he has done has been completely dismissed by people like you.

In contrast, Cuomo sounds great when speaking but I think he’s handled it horribly and the numbers support this.

 

[hog88]

Really? You really don't pay attention....EVERYTHING

So can't come up with anything I see.

 

[Mick]

Shouldn’t the CDC already have had a plan in place to role it out?

I would imagine masks, hand sanitizing, and avoiding others for starters. You know the common sense stuff. Nuke the source? Quarantine whole Cities using the Army? What did you have in mind?

 

[Roustabout]

I'm not intent on blaming Trump. If you think he's handled this pandemic well as our leader, you haven't been paying attention

And you still didn’t answer the question. I’ll let everyone here know why. You don’t have a friggin clue.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Ok. Who wouldn't have expedited testing for such a pandemic?

Irrelevant. Point is he is the leader at this moment and gets the credit for the steps that have been taken good/bad.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

So can't come up with anything I see.

I'm just amazed at you. He's lied about it in the last few days

 

[TennTradition]

I know we’re not allowed to compare coronavirus to influenza, but I can’t help myself but compare the way the DATA is being collected. Because if we’re being told that the decisions are based on “science,” and that the science is following the data, then it should be fair to expect similar collection for different respiratory illnesses.

Influenza tests during H1N1 maxed out at about 15,000/week nationwide during spring 2009. Then in July of 2009, the CDC said, “Once the numbers of cases increased beyond the point where counting of individual cases was practical, on July 23, 2009, CDC reported the number of 2009 cases for the last time. Reporting of 2009 H1N1 hospitalizations and deaths continued. In addition, CDC continued using its traditional surveillance systems to track the progress of the 2009 H1N1 influenza outbreak. Traditional surveillance systems do not count individual cases, but instead monitor activity levels and virus characteristics through a nationwide surveillance system.”

So, if “traditional systems” didn’t count individual cases in 2009, why are we doing it now?

Also, this is a long quote, but worth noting the difference IN HOW THE DATA IS COLLECTED. Per the CDC regarding H1N1 and seasonal flu:
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Under-Counting of Flu-Related Deaths
CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this:

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• • First, states are not required to report individual seasonal flu cases or deaths of people older than 18 years of age to CDC.
  • Second, seasonal influenza is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications.
  • Third, many seasonal flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as a staph infection) or because seasonal influenza can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).
  • Also, most people who die from seasonal flu-related complications are not tested for flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when seasonal influenza can no longer be detected from respiratory samples. Influenza tests are most likely to detect influenza if performed soon after onset of illness.
  • For these reasons, many flu-related deaths may not be recorded on death certificates.”

Yes, the flu surveillance system is used for tracking it. The actual number of flu tests isn’t remotely as high as each season’s ‘cases.’ Also, the same is true for flu deaths. There will only be about 5-10k flu deaths on death certificates each year. The remaining 25-40k flu deaths depending on the year are modeled deaths from the surveillance network data. Although we focus on the over-captured deaths (someone dies in a car wreck and has COVID), a similar modeling process will play out post-pandemic to capture the under-counted deaths. But I expect this to be smaller than flu due to the increased eyes on CV and higher degree of testing. Undercounting was mainly just a March and April thing.

 

[Mick]

Even when his chief pandemic advisor said masks were useless?

I'm going to go with after he encouraged them and he still didn't. Or how about when he is visiting a hospital and the hospital required them and he still didn't? How about that, Hog? Is that enough to say he was an idiot for not wearing a mask and it showed piss poor leadership skills? SMH.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You've got to be joking!!! That's straight out of Trump's mouth and surely you aren't gullible enough to believe the least credible man in this country

Name the country that has even come close to testing as many as we have.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

And you still didn’t answer the question. I’ll let everyone here know why. You don’t have a friggin clue.

And you do? It takes a special kind of stupid to go on to a public message board and defend the actions of this President

"it will go away without a vaccine"...that's just one of many

 

[Creeker]

Well me and my fiancé have to be tested tomorrow. My father tested positive today and he had been over this weekend. His symptoms aren’t too bad. Just cough and congestion, but a little worried due to his age and he has diabetes albeit he has managed it well.

 

[Sandman 423]

And you do? It takes a special kind of stupid to go on to a public message board and defend the actions of this President

"it will go away without a vaccine"...that's just one of many

Wait, Is that not true? Has any similar virus gone away without a vaccine?

 

[Sandman 423]

Well me and my fiancé have to be tested tomorrow. My father tested positive today and he had been over this weekend. His symptoms aren’t too bad. Just cough and congestion, but a little worried due to his age and he has diabetes albeit he has managed it well.

Do you know where ya'll got it from?