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0nelilreb said:
There’s still no push here in Norfolk to force the business to mandate it . It’s hit or miss . Virginia Beach is different , they wear more masks . It’s all very strange .
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Yep Charleston is very strict but other areas in South Carolina are not strict at all
 
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MontyPython said:
Atlanta: Mayors in Atlanta and other Georgia cities deepened their defiance of Gov. Brian Kemp on Thursday, saying they want their requirements for people to wear masks in public to remain in place, even after the Republican governor explicitly forbade cities and counties from mandating face coverings. Officials in at least 15 Georgia cities and counties, including Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, had ordered masks during the coronavirus pandemic, and many are venting outrage at Kemp swatting down their efforts. “The mayor’s order remains in effect, as science and data will continue to drive the city’s decisions,” Michael Smith, a spokesperson for Bottoms, wrote in a text. “Masks save lives.” Kemp doesn’t disagree, saying he strongly supports mask-wearing to combat the spread of COVID-19 infections. But he has maintained for weeks that cities and counties don’t have the power to require masks in public places.

This will be fun to watch the Trump-puppet Kemp backtrack on this one. He's in the wrong - just like Dumb Donald - and will be publicly humiliated over his knuckle dragging here.
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Kemp's own recommendations urge mask wearing in public, social distancing, and shelter-in-place for the elderly and health-compromised. This is an ideological squabble. Mayors & councils in cities experiencing a spike in covid-19 diagnoses (increasing at an increasing rate) and health care facilities at or near maximum capacity passed ordinances mandating masks in public (there is a limit to applicability within private spaces). Kemp is a Republican, and as such, he has acknowledged his party's advocacy for local control. However, in this matter, his personal conviction on the limits of government power have prompted him to overreach local control and demand adherence to his recommendations, only. So, Governor Kemp finds himself suing his capitol city's government over who has the authority in this matter. The court outcome will impact the other Georgia cities as well.

I note the difference in the Republicans' disposition towards the pandemic vs their actions after the terrorist attacks on 9/11. Then, Republicans crafted the Patriot Act, which empowered the Federal Government and curtailed the rights of individual citizens. In the face of the pandemic (which has killed more US citizens than the last four wars combined), Republicans have stuck to the ideology of where government power should reside and be exercised, leaving response largely in the hands of the state and local governments, and several have been outspoken against government mandated behavior to curtail the spread of infections - recommendations are fine, mandates are an imposition on the rights of the individual.

The above could be a subject for a lively discussion. Alas, reasoned discussion took a back set to bluster, threat, and blanket condemnation years ago. In this sociopolitical climate and during an election year, debate isn't on the menu.

Well, I'm going to retreat to other forums before someone accuses me of being either a "libtard" or a "white male apologist."
 
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Tin Man said:
Kemp's own recommendations urge mask wearing in public, social distancing, and shelter-in-place for the elderly and health-compromised. This is an ideological squabble. Mayors & councils in cities experiencing a spike in covid-19 diagnoses (increasing at an increasing rate) and health care facilities at or near maximum capacity passed ordinances mandating masks in public (there is a limit to applicability within private spaces). Kemp is a Republican, and as such, he has acknowledged his party's advocacy for local control. However, in this matter, his personal conviction on the limits of government power have prompted him to overreach local control and demand adherence to his recommendations, only. So, Governor Kemp finds himself suing his capitol city's government over who has the authority in this matter. The court outcome will impact the other Georgia cities as well.

I note the difference in the Republicans' disposition towards the pandemic vs their actions after the terrorist attacks on 9/11. Then, Republicans crafted the Patriot Act, which empowered the Federal Government and curtailed the rights of individual citizens. In the face of the pandemic (which has killed more US citizens than the last four wars combined), Republicans have stuck to the ideology of where government power should reside and be exercised, leaving response largely in the hands of the state and local governments, and several have been outspoken against government mandated behavior to curtail the spread of infections - recommendations are fine, mandates are an imposition on the rights of the individual.

The above could be a subject for a lively discussion. Alas, reasoned discussion took a back set to bluster, threat, and blanket condemnation years ago. In this sociopolitical climate and during an election year, debate isn't on the menu.

Well, I'm going to retreat to other forums before someone accuses me of being either a "libtard" or a "white male apologist."
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I do all my shopping in Georgia since i live around the Tennessee-Georgia border and it's good to know that i wont be forced to wear a mask as i don't plan on wearing one;)
 
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allvol123 said:
Well I make the assumption that mandated mask wearing produces more mask usage than non mandated times. So weeks into mandated mask use we should begin to see improvement in numbers.
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That's quite the assumption you're making. Do gun laws prevent gun crime? You replied to a headline of Redfield saying cases would drop if ALL Americans wear masks. You then seem to draw a correlation with Redfield's stance to a county mandate that has been derided and undermined locally as being unenforceable with many in that county still not wearing masks. If ALL in Knox county wear masks under the mandate, we may see if he is right. If half wear them, we'll likely never know.
 
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TheColdVolTruth said:
That's quite the assumption you're making. Do gun laws prevent gun crime? You replied to a headline of Redfield saying cases would drop if ALL Americans wear masks. You then seem to draw a correlation with Redfield's stance to a county mandate that has been derided and undermined locally as being unenforceable with many in that county still not wearing masks. If ALL in Knox county wear masks under the mandate, we may see if he is right. If half wear them, we'll likely never know.
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And you are proposing all or half. I'm guessing it is much closer to all than half. Much much closer to all. I've seen some resistance but would say my experience is 90% are wearing in required places.

Mostly I just think that headline is BS.
 
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Tennesseefan2019 said:
I do all my shopping in Georgia since i live around the Tennessee-Georgia border and it's good to know that i wont be forced to wear a mask as i don't plan on wearing one;)
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Until the court decides the case (Governor vs Atlanta), check for local ordinances. At the moment, it's a gray area, and local enforcement of ordinances will vary. You should not count on law enforcement agencies being too busy. You could ignore any citiation(s) received, but later, you could be held for having an outstanding citation for which you failed to appear or pay applicable fines.
 
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MontyPython said:
Atlanta: Mayors in Atlanta and other Georgia cities deepened their defiance of Gov. Brian Kemp on Thursday, saying they want their requirements for people to wear masks in public to remain in place, even after the Republican governor explicitly forbade cities and counties from mandating face coverings. Officials in at least 15 Georgia cities and counties, including Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, had ordered masks during the coronavirus pandemic, and many are venting outrage at Kemp swatting down their efforts. “The mayor’s order remains in effect, as science and data will continue to drive the city’s decisions,” Michael Smith, a spokesperson for Bottoms, wrote in a text. “Masks save lives.” Kemp doesn’t disagree, saying he strongly supports mask-wearing to combat the spread of COVID-19 infections. But he has maintained for weeks that cities and counties don’t have the power to require masks in public places.

This will be fun to watch the Trump-puppet Kemp backtrack on this one. He's in the wrong - just like Dumb Donald - and will be publicly humiliated over his knuckle dragging here.
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He is wrong about what? That masks save lives?

He is protecting freedom here. And that's a two way street. You can still protect yourself with a mask. No one is taking that away. He isnt even taking away the ability of individual stores or businesses to require masks.

It's just that the government cant force people to wear masks. Which is the right call.

The arguments here are being obtuse o the point of lying about the situation.
 
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Septic said:
Real covidiots! People who refuse to wear a mask have lower cognitive ability, new study shows | Daily Mail Online
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The real irony here is that the longer this pandemic is prolonged, the slower the economic recovery will be. Trump clearly needs the economy to be roaring back heading into the election season.

Instead of capitulating that something so innocuous as wearing a mask could be helpful, you grouse about your "freedom". If Trumps nut-huggers had a lick of sense you'd be urging your fellow red-hats to put on a mask. You guys are your own worst enemy's and don't even realize it.
 
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allvol123 said:
And you are proposing all or half. I'm guessing it is much closer to all than half. Much much closer to all. I've seen some resistance but would say my experience is 90% are wearing in required places.

Mostly I just think that headline is BS.
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I don't doubt that your last statement is truly what you were getting at, but I do find your anecdotal 90% as being somewhat interesting when you posted this observation in the Knox county mandate thread...

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I seem to find myself at Kroger, daily.

Mandate went into effect, literally all in the store had one on.

4 days later, usage dropping fast.
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Mick said:
Are you looking for guidance or trying to reject it?
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Just curious. What would be the reasoning in not suggesting usage among cohabitants? Most likely these are the people you will have risky interactions with for the longest amounts of time.
 
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